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Old 24th July 2017, 19:44
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Compiling information RE: Luftwaffe shot down 04.07.1944

Hello all,

I am trying to compile information about Luftwaffe fighter losses on 4th July 1944 (in particular Bf 109s). I understand from a post on another forum that there were 39 fighters lost in total for that day but I am trying to understand which ones were shot down in aerial combat, and which were shot down by anti-aircraft or other means, and where they were.

If anyone is able to provide any information about where aircraft were lost, and how they were shot down, I will be most grateful.

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Ian
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Old 24th July 2017, 22:07
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Re: Compiling information RE: Luftwaffe shot down 04.07.1944

Which theatre you are asking about? France? Defence of the Reich? The East?
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Old 25th July 2017, 15:04
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Re: Compiling information RE: Luftwaffe shot down 04.07.1944

The Luftwaffe loss summary database has the following for this day:

Unit: No of Aircraft: Category:
Wekusta 51 1 Damaged without enemy action on operational flight
2./Fl.Verb.G.2 1 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
I./J.G.1 2 Missing Due to enemy action
II./J.G.1 2 Missing Due to enemy action
II./J.G.1 1 Destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
I./J.G.2 1 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
I./J.G.2 1 Missing Due to enemy action
II./J.G.2 3 Missing Due to enemy action
II./J.G.2 8 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
II./J.G.2 1 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
II./J.G.2 1 Damaged without enemy action on operational flight
III./J.G.2 1 Missing Due to enemy action
III./J.G.3 1 Destroyed without enemy action on operational flight
I./J.G.5 1 Damaged without enemy action on operational flight
III./J.G.5 2 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
III./J.G.5 1 Destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
III./J.G.5 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
I./J.G.11 1 Missing Due to enemy action
I./J.G.11 1 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
I./J.G.11 1 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
I./J.G.11 3 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
I./J.G.11 1 Damaged without enemy action on operational flight
II./J.G.11 1 Damaged without enemy action on operational flight
II./J.G.11 2 Destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
II./J.G.11 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
I./J.G.26 1 Damaged without enemy action on operational flight
II./J.G.26 2 Missing Due to enemy action
III./J.G.26 1 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
I./J.G.27 1 Missing Due to enemy action
I./J.G.27 1 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
IV./J.G.27 2 Missing Due to enemy action
IV./J.G.27 2 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
IV./J.G.27 1 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
II./J.G.51 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
I./J.G.52 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
I./J.G.53 3 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
I./J.G.53 2 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
I./J.G.53 2 Destroyed without enemy action on operational flight
II./J.G.53 2 Damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
I./J.G.77 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
III./J.G.77 1 Destroyed without enemy action on operational flight
III./J.G.77 1 Damaged without enemy action on operational flight
II./J.G.301 1 Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
I./J.G.302 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
J.Gr.Ost 3 Destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
J.Gr.Ost 5 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
J.Gr.Süd 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
J.Gr.Süd 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
J.Gr.West 1 Destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
J.Gr.West 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
II./K.G.200 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
1./N.A.Gr.13 1 Destroyed on the ground by gunfire from enemy aircraft
Stab/N.A.Gr.14 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
I./S.G.4 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
I./S.K.G.10 2 Missing Due to enemy action
Stab/Schl.G.1 1 Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight
II./Z.G.76 1 Destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight

Not exhaustive but it is covering all JG units AFAIK. Bf 109s were also used by tactical recon units, and I am not sure that all are in the database. No type is given in the database.
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Old 26th July 2017, 20:20
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Re: Compiling information RE: Luftwaffe shot down 04.07.1944

Wow, thanks you so much Laurent! That's exactly what I was looking for. And to answer your question Nick, I will be looking specifically at the normandy area but wanted to get all the aircraft and then work backwards from that. I am trying to work out a specific aircraft that was shot down having been provided co-ordinates of where it apparently crashed (in the LAA war diary) but no way of identifying it. Hoping to at least cut the list down to a small list of potentials now.
Thank you both for your responses. Much appreciated.
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