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Re: Ivan Shamanov
Good morning Kirill,
thanks for your assessment. I'm always interested in successful pilots of multiseat aircraft, also in those who were not credited with the kills of their gunners. Hmmm...Krapiva, Kulbatskiy, Kostyushin, Kirilenko... Were the crew members of aircraft composed alphabetically ? ;-) Michael |
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Re: Ivan Shamanov
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Re: Ivan Shamanov
Hello Kirill,
yeah. To resume the original topic: As far as I understand that website with my very limited Russian skills http://airaces.narod.ru/all14/shamanov.htm the connection of Ivan Shamanov to the Douglas A-20 is explained like this:
Michael |
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Re: Ivan Shamanov
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You understood correctly. About Shamanov and A-20G on that resource is only a guess. The authors do not take into account that Shamanov commanded the third squadron until the end of 1944, and the squadron flew to Il-4t until the end of the war. http://www.airaces.ru/stati/1-jj-gva...-mtap-kbf.html I think that such an experienced crew as Shamanov-Lorin in the last months of the war did not retrain to the A-20G - especially the unmodified version with a nasal machine-gun installation. Making of such a navigator as Lorin an ordinary navigator for a top-mast bomber is stupid. Kirill |
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Re: Ivan Shamanov
Hello Kirill,
I have gathered some possible Il-4 aces. However, their scores might represent the kills of the crew they were part of:
Michael |
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Re: Ivan Shamanov
Good morning Kirill,
have you ever heard about a guy named Горин Василий Алексеевич ? He has alledgedly 8+9sh kills. What aircraft did he fly ? Have a nice Wednesday, Michael |
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