Strange case of Walter Dahl

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by knusel

Nick Hector claims to have decisive Tanzer documents ?

I trust you read his post. No such claim is made there so why not wait and see what he has to say?

[Nick Hector]

Hi Stig and Johannes,

It's extremely hard to find much about either Tanzer or Woidich at all, but I hope what I have turned up helps provide a few pieces of the mosaic

Tanzer and Woidich

Kurt Tanzer

2.8.42/0900
IL-2 Sturmovik
10km W of Rzhev (PQ 47581) @ low altitude
3 VA. Their losses this date include 685 ShAP's Ivan Prokolyevich Sidchenko and 451 ShAP's Serzhant Mikhail Andreevich Sorokin

5.8.42/0450
Pe-2
20km ESE of Dugino (PQ 46442) @ 1500m
Believe this was the engagement in which crew of Lt. Nikolay Nikolayevich Sokolov (KIA) of 285 BAD was brought down. Falkensamer claimed too

3.12.42/1150
IL-2 Sturmovik
20km SSW of Velikiye Luki @ 1000m
Ml.Lt. Ivan Nikolaevich Aleko with gunner Ivan Vladimirovich Storozhenko of 800 ShAP both KIA

16.1.43/0814
Pe-2
PQ 07553 @ 1000m
804 BAP, 293 BAD. Other losses were Ml. Lt. Mikhail Efimovich Syromyatnikov KIA and Ml. Lt. Nikolay Dmitievich Korolev MIA (total of 7 KIA and MIA)
(Gustl Mueller and Martin Schamberger are credited with downing the crew of Mayor Vladimir Yakovlevich Gavrilov survived (It appears Mueller attacked it, Schamberger finished it off))

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Franz Woidich
21.11.41/1500
P-40 Tomahawk
7km S of Ain-el-Gazala
2 sqn SAAF. Lt. D A Hinde returned safely (credited to flak or engine damage by allied sources)

22.11.41/1635
P-40 Tomahawk IIB
NW of Bir Hacheim
3 sqn RAAF and 112 sqn. 112 lost Sgt. Henry George Burney, RAAF in AM390/GA-W (returned). 3 lost Sgt. Ronald Henry Simes in AM507/Z also returned whilst F/L Lindsay Eric Shaw Knowles AN410 , F/O William Kloster in AK390 and P/O Lawton "Sammy" Lees AN305/E(?) were all KIA as was F/O F Fischer in AK407. F/O H G Roberts in AN373 POW
(there were about 5 claims in total)

15.3.42/1135
Curtiss P-40
20km SE of Ain-el-Gazala @ 400-500m
260 sqn, Sgt. T Parrot. Damaged (rightly unconfirmed)

2.9.42/0536
Pe-2
5km NE of Kopetowka (PQ 46214) @ 1500m
Likely 2 BAP. Crew of Serzhant Anatoly Pavlovich Terekhov failed to return

28.10.42/1505
Yak-1
6km NW of Achtuba (PQ 69573) @ 2500m
Ivan Fedorovich Stepanov of 287 IAD? KIA near Achtuba this date

4.8.43/1410
La-5 ("LaGG-5")
PQ 61 683 @ 200m
Day's La-5 losses include Petr Kucherenko of 302 IAD KIA

15.8.43/0730
PQ 60158 @ 3000m
Day's La-5 losses include Mladshiy Leytenant S G Balakin of 295 IAD KIA

22.8.43/0955 and 1001
2 x La-5 ("LaGG-5")
Day's La/LaGG losses include Ml.Lt. Vasilii Nikolaevich Fadeev of 297 IAP, 4 IAK KIA

17.12.43/1227
P-39 Airacobra
N of Novogodka @ 800m
Day's P-39 losses in air combat in the south include 129 GIAP, Ml.Lt. Anatoly Andreevich Fomin KIA
(there were many claims for P-39s….)

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Nick

You are doing just great! Some of us certainly appreciate your inputs!!

Cheers
Stig

[Nick Hector]

Thanks, Stig.

I invite and welcome any corrections and additions. Every little piece contributes to the overall picture

[NickM]

Nick,

I no longer hang out on FB but I always enjoy your updated vic tally postings for the fighter pilots--you or somebody really needs to start up a website like The Old Petr Kacha site.

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by NickM

Nick,


I no longer hang out on FB but I always enjoy your updated vic tally postings for the fighter pilots--you or somebody really needs to start up a website like The Old Petr Kacha site.

Oh hi there, Nick!

Yes, long time no hear. Hope you've been well.
If somebody was prepared to webmaster such a site, I would happily contribute. As you'd know, I gave some assistance to Petr Kacha back in the day but all these years later I am the first to own up that the website is quite far out of date.

[knusel]

Does that help to clarify the Tanzer-143-kills-enigma ?

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by knusel

Does that help to clarify the Tanzer-143-kills-enigma ?

Remind us what you have really contributed to the subject in the course of over a thousand posts....?

And maybe, just maybe, wanting to be "officially" told exactly which number to "meticulously" and "painstakingly" write next to his name is not all some members wish to know about him.

I posted at the invite of two other members, after asking one of them in advance if they would be interested if I did so. Afterward, two members thanked me for what I contributed.

Hint for you, Knusel. Don't try getting too clever with people unless having threads closed down is genuinely a hobby of yours....

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by knusel

Does that help to clarify the Tanzer-143-kills-enigma ?

Perhaps not

But it certainly helps us to understand why Johannes has not been able to locate more than 35 claims made by him.

What would be much more interesting to know is who first came up with his 143 claims nonsense? When Tanzer died in 1960 few, if any, WW 2 historians had begun to approach the survivors and as far as I know Tanzer never wrote a 1950's style book of self promotion, meaning it feels a bit unlikely to have been himself. But who knows?

Cheers
Stig

[knusel]

Good evening Stig,

I tried to track the 143 kill through the books I have:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showpo...0&postcount=38

Have a good start into the new week,

Michael