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Old 13th August 2018, 15:36
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Re: Is there any place to check Bücker Bü 131 W.Nrs.?

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Thanks Lennart

Odd to have a discrepancy like that. Perhaps something is missing in the Brazilian records Sergio?

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Brazilian records are rare... many erros, blanks info... As example researcher Carlos Dufriche compiled "tons" of older registers before them being discarded or lost in a fire at Santos Dumont Airport. There are several photos of planes with matriculations never officialy registered only the images can prove it. We also have examples of two planes with same matriculation. We must cross check vintage newspapers and photos on archives and museums... Another point are the old researchers passing way leaving forever their knowledge not to mention their decades of work being sold or trhow away by relatives, spliting all data kept for all that time. I have seen this happens several times...
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Old 13th August 2018, 15:42
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Re: Is there any place to check Bücker Bü 131 W.Nrs.?

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Yes, the total for Brazil was 5+12 Bü 131, 1 Bü 133 (1939) and 1 Bü 180 (1939). Notice that this is from annual sales statistics and need not reflect which year they arrived.

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I will check newspapers to see the ceremonies held at Aeroclube do Brasil. I now one of them was to present 12 Bücker planes. I know the years my be confliting. It may reflect when the order was issued but not when the planes where dispatched and arrived in Brasil. There is an old newspaper called Jornal Asas and I have the issues about these planes. Will take a look and get some photos of the pages. I´m going to update the listing I placed in this thread and show when the planes where officialy registered in the RAB system.
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Old 13th August 2018, 15:55
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Based on the register data we can especulate the batch of 12 planes you mention may be the ones from 18 July 1939 and 04 August 1939.
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Old 13th August 2018, 18:21
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Re: Is there any place to check Bücker Bü 131 W.Nrs.?

I found where the confusion for 12 or 16 planes started in my files. Yes, 12 bought by Brazilian Government in 1939 is the correct number. The other planes may have been imported and sold by their representative in Rio de Janeiro, the Theodore Wille & Cia. Ltda.
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Then we certainly miss one Brazilian civil registration Sergio....

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Old 13th August 2018, 23:39
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Re: Is there any place to check Bücker Bü 131 W.Nrs.?

Hi Sergio - I have the following which might help the Bu 131 W/Nrs/Registrations?.
I agree with Lennart to suggest that the whole of the 2nd batch of 12 aircraft was from W/Nr.899 to 910. My files list the following:
W/Nr.897 - To Romania as YR-AGO
W/Nr.898 - To Argentina as LV-IST (I had this as 899 but looks like a probable typo?)
W/Nr.899 - To Brazil as PP-TEY
W/Nr.900 - To Brazil as PP-TEZ
W/Nr.901 - To Brazil as PP-TFF?
W/Nr.902 - To Brazil as PP-TFG?
W/Nr.903 - To Brazil as PP-TFH?
W/Nr.904 - To Brazil as PP-TFI?
W/Nr.905 - To Brazil as PP-TFJ
W/Nr.906 - To Brazil as PP-TFK
W/Nr.907 - To Brazil as PP-TFL
W/Nr.908 - To Brazil as PP-TFM
W/Nr.909 - To Brazil as PP-AED?
W/Nr.910 - To Brazil as PP-AEE
W/Nr.911 - To Yugoslavia - (Re-captured by German forces in derelict condition)
I cannot find the source of W/Nr.910 as PP-AEE but think it genuine so giving W/Nr.909 as PP-AED does make sense. W/Nrs.901 to 904 are speculation but again does make sense. PP-AEF was registered at a later date so to me would be a different 'lone' W/Nr. Could this be a replacement for the one that crashed before delivery (PP-TCL)?
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Old 13th August 2018, 23:44
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My mistake when I referred to PP-AEF with the later reg date. I should have listed this as PP-TFE which was listed as 04.08.39. Hope this makes more sense.
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Old 14th August 2018, 00:20
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Re: Is there any place to check Bücker Bü 131 W.Nrs.?

Thanks Tom. Unfortunately without any original document listing the W.Nr. and the matriculation for each plane we will have to play with some speculation... PP-AEF was assigned to Aeroclube do Brasil but not replacing the PP-TCL that belonged to Clube dos Alcatrazes.
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Old 14th August 2018, 04:05
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Re: Is there any place to check Bücker Bü 131 W.Nrs.?

It was PP-TFE that I have assumed was a seperate W/Nr aside from the 12 W/Nrs.899 to 910 that may have been a replacement for PP-TCL.
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Old 14th August 2018, 13:24
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Re: Is there any place to check Bücker Bü 131 W.Nrs.?

W/Nr.899 - Argentina as LV-IST is correct, it was a former aircraft from Brasil sold sometime later to a privat owner in Argentina.
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