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Old 1st August 2009, 01:42
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Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

On 22nd June 1944 Lt Boleshaw Kocienski of 510th FS , 405th FG was KIA when his P-47D 'K-Kid' collided head on with a Bf 109G.

Can anyone confirm the Luftwaffe aircraft / pilot/ unit concerned?

BTW - the 510th FS took off at 1947 hrs from Christchurch and their mission was to bomb bridges near Cloyes, SW of Paris so the collision may have occurred in that area. Also I have assumed it was a '109 as this is what was reported by USAAF witnesses to the incident.
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Old 1st August 2009, 05:52
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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

Is the name spelled correctly? Can't find anything in the MACR's.

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Old 1st August 2009, 07:32
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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

In this area JG 3 and JG 5 lost several Bf 109 in battle with P-47 - but there is no midair collision noted.

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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

Mike

Same spelling I have

He is buried at the Brittany American Cemetery.

Nothing more except it was 20 or just 21.

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Old 1st August 2009, 14:02
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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

Larry,

Dont know if it helps I have a note that on 22nd. June Uffz Walter Demmig of 4/JG5 was KIA 60Km S/W of Paris in Bf109G-6 161127 white 9,

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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

MACR 6222, Lt. Boleslaw Kociencki, P-47D 42-76496


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Old 1st August 2009, 15:54
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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

The MACR doesn't say anything concerning a collision.

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Old 1st August 2009, 16:14
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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

Hi,
John Foreman in "Over the Beaches" claimed Kocienski as missing to head-on collision with Bf 109 at Cloyes.
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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

Hi.

I do not believe Demmig is the right one.

According to the NVM he was seen diving in a steep angle after a second run through a formation of 4-engined bombers, without any radio communication... his aircraft was not seen again.

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Old 3rd August 2009, 16:02
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Re: Bf 109G lost in head on collision with P-47D on 22nd June 1944

Thanks for all your replies.

So the jury is still out whether it was Uffz Walter Demmig of 4/JG5. The time of the collision is given as 22.30 hrs in the MACR so I wonder what time Uffz Walter Demmig was KIA?

Lastly Mike (Revi16) if the MACR's are now online can you provide the link

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