Info Needed on famous P-38 crash...

[harrison987]

Hey guys...

I recently picked up some reconnaissance P-38 Lightning crash parts from a wreck that has some history in Germany.

It was shot down by a German aircraft (presumably from an me109) around April 1945 near NEUKIRCHEN Autobahn München-Salzburg. There is still a crater there from the impact, and a prop and engine are in a private collection.

Apparently, the pilot bailed out around 10 meters (jumped into a field), and broke some bones. He then fled to a farmhouse, where he healed until the allies advanced into that area.

He survived the war and also visited the wrecksite many years ago.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

[kaki3152]

Wasn't it the F-5 shot down on April 17,1945 by a Me-262?

[FrankieS]

Hi, to narrow down, here all P-38/F-5 losses of April 1945
good luck,
FrankieS


13668 450401 P-38 42-104399 474
13476 450402 P-38 44-25786 14 Sombor AF, YU
13472 450402 P-38 44-24401 82
14106 450403 P-38 44-24671 8
14285 450403 P-38 42-67584 475
13693 450404 F-5 42-68249 6
13643 450404 P-38 44-25761 14
13647 450405 P-38 42-104405 1 71 Lt Gerald Isbell IT
450407 P-38 ? 67 TAC 30 PRS Heily, William H Seesen D
14260 450407 P-38 44-23715 67 TAC 30 PRS Pascal, Stephen L. Varrigsen D
13648 450408 P-38 44-24438 82
14378 450408 P-38 44-23229 363 TRG 33 PPS Austin , Gifhorn D
14253 450410 P-38 44-25931 347
14134 450410 P-38 44-24660 474
13982 450411 P-38 44-26027 14
13980 450411 P-38 44-25720 14
13979 450411 P-38 44-24418 14
14102 450411 P-38 44-25126 474
14201 450413 P-38 42-104233 474 428 1Lt Shannon E. Estill Elsnig (Acker nahe Butterstrasse) D
13794 450414 P-38 44-24427 82
13799 450415 P-38 44-24132 1 94 Capt Everett Lindley D
13802 450415 P-38 44-24190 1 71 Lt George McGrew D
13797 450415 P-38 44-25698 1 27 Lt Edward Brickly D
13800 450415 P-38 44-25734 1 71 Maj. Joseph R. Elliott 85622 Feldkirchen D
13801 450415 P-38 44-24632 1 27 Cpt Chester Trout west of Passau
14202 450417 P-38 44-24627 474
14304 450418 P-38 42-67289 51
14199 450418 P-38 44-25518 474
14307 450418 P-38 44-23372 475
14048 450420 F-5 44-23709 7 22
14091 450420 P-38 44-25524 474
14021 450421 P-38 44-25010 14 ? Lambert, Richard K Munich 10 mil S? D
14025 450422 P-38 44-25717 14 37 Mc Intire, Charles R Ficarolo IT
14027 450422 P-38 44-24038 14 48 Gnewikow, Milo E Venezia 10 mil NE IT
14023 450422 P-38 43-28778 82
14024 450422 P-38 44-23849 82
14034 450423 P-38 44-24202 1 27 Cpt Clarence Knapp Verona IT
14033 450423 P-38 44-24383 1 27 Larry Reynolds Padova IT
14032 450423 P-38 44-24379 1 27 John Hurst Padova IT
14036 450423 P-38 44-26077 14 Summares, Anthony N 6 Miles South Of Verona IT
14327 450427 F-5 42-67391 6
14331 450427 P-38 44-25859 49

[harrison987]

Any way to Narrow down locations from that list?

Mike

[FrankieS]

Hi Mike !
This list is only for starting, something of a bit's&pieces thing.
Some suggestions though:

1. You could enter the aircraft type ("F-5") and the serial (""42-67391")
into google, like (don't forget the brackets):
http://www.google.ch/search?hl=de-CH...j1.CnHHezder3o
Often you will find more info on that specific loss.

2. You could also enter into Google f.ex. the following terms:
"42-67391" site:www.fold3.com
like:
http://www.google.ch/search?q=+%2242...Awww.fold3.com+

If you open one of the indicated fold3 documents you cannot get access to the fulltext file, but at the right column low down you will very often
find the crash location ("Location:") of that lost aircraft taken from the MACR (which doesn't necessarily mean that this is the true crash
location).

With a little luck ...


bye,
FrankieS

[FrankieS]

... and by the way:
which of the following NEUKIRCHEN is
the one looked for?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neukirchen

[AndreasB]

The closest Neukirchen to the Autobahn would be the one near Passau.

13801 450415 P-38 44-24632 1 27 Cpt Chester Trout west of Passau

All the best

Andreas

[FrankieS]

Yes, but story doesn't fit,
Trout was KIA.

bye,
FrankieS

[Alex Smart]

Hello Mike,
From my P-38 History List, F-5's - Germany - April 45 - names.

1 Coleman
2 Money, Wallace B. - F-5E - 3rd - 44-24278.
3 Downey
4 Randle
5 Isbell
6 Pascal, Stephen L. - F-5E - 7th - 44-23715 - MACR 14260.
7 Austin
8 Start
9 Hoover
10 Gabriel
11 Estill
12 Smith
13 Lindley
14 McGrew
15 Trout
16 Brickley
17 Elliot
18 Hodges*
19 Lamb
20 Hedlund
21 Dobson
22 Langley, Robert C. - F-5E - 20th - 44-24921.
23 Hodges *
24 Lambert
25 Tyler
26 Phillips, Evereyy P. - F-5E - 24th - 43-28309.
27 Wheeler
28 Bloom
29 Fox
30 Butler, James F. - F-5E - 30th - 43-28992.

only five F-5's Good hunting
Alex