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Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Hello,
Currently on ebay at : https://www.ebay.de/itm/Frankreich-F...8AAOSwc99eemjF is a photo of what I believe to be a Caudron Luciole.My question, on the underside of the wing is ?-389. Would this number be assigned based on the construction number, in this case of C.275 7672.389 in which case the aircraft shown would be the former F-AQPC. Alternatively is the completely wrong? Regards, Clint |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Hi Clint,
If my data is good it is Luciole W-389, F-ARZP, (c/n) 8121 Bertrand |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
That was very interesting Bertrand
Do you have more of these MM numbers in relation to impressed Caudron aircraft? Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Hello Bertrand/Stig,
Thanks Bertrand for the correct ID.I'll second Stig's comment it would be very interesting if you have a source for the 'buzz numbers'. The limited information I have includes F-ARVV c/n 8052 W-320 and F-ARXP c/n 8071 W-339.Suggesting that all c/n numbers and buzz numbers align between W-320 and W-389 if it is as simple as it sounds.And presumably as far as F- F-ASAA c/n 692? Also if anyone has any information with regard to which unit operated W-389 that too would be good to know. Regards, Clint |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Checking a bit further, I believe there must be a connection between the huge order made by the French Govt (Etat Francais) and its support to various Flying Clubs in the late 1930s.
This program (called l'Aviation Populaire) attracted a large number of Luciol orders. A rough estimate the c/n 7637 - 7719 and 7876 - 8127 were ordered in this way. Of course many other aircraft types were also ordered. It must have been pretty easy to impress them when the war broke out. Perhaps they kept their civil reg on the fuselage sides and received the Matricule Militaire under the wings? Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Hello Stig,
All the Aviation Populaire machines Here from P.168: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...audron&f=false I guess we can say all the machine belonged to the state throughout, they were merely loaned until the war. Regards, Clint |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Hi Clint
What you are looking at is the Matricule Militaire (French buzz number). Quite a few Lucioles were impressed with Armée de l'Air, but as with so much else this is very badly researched. Very few of these numbers are known, but they had nothing to do with the manufacturers various c/n. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Hello
You can try this link for the book : https://fr.calameo.com/read/0051166338e046df8c02f Should work better Best regards J Schreiber |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Thanks J S
Worked like a charm. Much fewer aircraft than I thought, especially the Caudron models. Did many of the Caudrons go straight to Armée de l'Air and not via Aviation Populaire? Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo Caudron C.275 Luciole
Hello Stig,
Did you mean fewer aircraft in total or fewer types of aircraft? I was thinking 419 C.275 is a relatively substantial figure for the time. Regards, Clint |
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