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Old 17th March 2020, 10:19
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B-26D 41-18271

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Can anyone confirm for me that it is B-26D 41-18271 that is lost by the 439th Bomber Squadron on September 8, 1943 near Barasco, Italy?

Because, in the French archives, this plane is mentioned as written-off on August, 15, 1943 near Oran La Sénia (Algeria) with all crew killed, and as belonging to Groupe de bombardement (BS) 2/63.

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Old 17th March 2020, 11:49
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Re: B-26D 41-18271

Franck

Very puzzling details.
First of all 41-18271 was a B-26B (the B-26D is to me a very obscure aircraft. I have no serial number for and all I can say without checking further is that it was a converted B-26 - no suffix)

Secondly, 41-18271 is not listed in my table of B-26 transferred (or on loan) to either FFAF or FNAAF.

I have no transfer of any B-26 models as early as Aug 1943. The first, 41-18026 was handed over in September that year.

Finally, MAW Vol 4 does not mention any loss of a USAAF B-26 41-18271 on 8 Sep 1943.

Hopefully someone else have better details for you

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Old 17th March 2020, 12:07
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Re: B-26D 41-18271

Hello Stig

Thanks for replying.
The "US" info is coming from Joe Baugher website at http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1941_3.html.
Here after is what is written on that page : 41-18271 (319th BG, 439th BS, "Millie's Blond Bomber") shot down by Lt Rupert Weninger in Bf 109G-6 of JG 53/3, 15 km E of Barsacco, Italy Sep 8, 1943.

So according to you, the French report could be right. Nice !

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Old 17th March 2020, 12:46
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Re: B-26D 41-18271

Hello
Weninger claim a Boston That day !most probably a B-25 maybe 41-29996 310/380
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Old 17th March 2020, 12:59
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Re: B-26D 41-18271

Hello Phil
Joe Baugher website indicates that it is the B-25D 41-29996 belonging to 310th BG, 380th BS and shot down by Bf 109G-6 of JG 53/I . Plane and crew crashed into sea 18 km NE of Stromboli, Italy Sep 8, 1943. MACR 716. 6 KIA.
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Old 17th March 2020, 13:16
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Re: B-26D 41-18271

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Hello Stig

Thanks for replying.
The "US" info is coming from Joe Baugher website at http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1941_3.html.
Here after is what is written on that page : 41-18271 (319th BG, 439th BS, "Millie's Blond Bomber") shot down by Lt Rupert Weninger in Bf 109G-6 of JG 53/3, 15 km E of Barsacco, Italy Sep 8, 1943.

So according to you, the French report could be right. Nice !

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Franck
No Franck

That is not what I am saying.

I have no idea from where Joe Baugher has got his details. It is not listed here:
https://www.aviationarchaeology.com/...y/Sep1943O.htm
Making a google search give nothing extra, except another site "confirm" its USAAF unit

What I am saying is that I have no confirmation this aircraft was transferred to France at all.

I will check a couple of loss lists I have for France and see if this serial number comes up.

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Old 17th March 2020, 13:37
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Re: B-26D 41-18271

Ok Stig
I will wait for your answer.
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Old 17th March 2020, 13:42
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Re: B-26D 41-18271

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Hello Phil
Joe Baugher website indicates that it is the B-25D 41-29996 belonging to 310th BG, 380th BS and shot down by Bf 109G-6 of JG 53/I . Plane and crew crashed into sea 18 km NE of Stromboli, Italy Sep 8, 1943. MACR 716. 6 KIA.
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Franck

Baugher never indicates Weninger shot down 41-29996. He just states it was lost to I./JG 53, which at the present state of research is very reasonable.
Weninger claimed a Boston, verified from German sources, but he made an identification error, no Bostons present during this combat. Stab and I./JG 53 made three claims between 11.03-11.25, which correspond to two US B-25 losses. Most likely two pilots claimed one and the same aircraft here. There is no indication in MAW 4 that any B-26 units were involved.

Checking my French loss list from 1943-45, there is no loss at all recorded on 15 Aug 1943. The first B-26 loss is listed on 21 Feb 1944 (41-17959).

May I ask what French archives (document) you are quoting from and if you have checked them yourself or if you are quoting someone else?

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Old 17th March 2020, 14:01
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Re: B-26D 41-18271



Above is the document I have from the French military archives.
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Old 17th March 2020, 14:14
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Re: B-26D 41-18271

Thank you Franck

If you look at your text and the one you quote from you are one year out!
The document you quote from is dated 17 Aug 1944 and not 1943.
The French accident thus happened 15 Aug 1944

Yes, the accident is in my loss list, so it seems to be a genuine French report.

Checking further I have now located 41-18271 as a lend-lease aircraft given to France in June 1944. A year made all the difference

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