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Old 23rd February 2016, 12:52
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eBay: Wilhelm Leopold Roitinger + 26-09-44

Crashed in Holland Neede Rietmolen, 23 years of age


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Old 28th February 2016, 16:19
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Re: eBay: Wilhelm Leopold Roitinger + 26-09-44

Most likely belonged to III./JG 11.

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Old 20th March 2016, 14:42
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Re: eBay: Wilhelm Leopold Roitinger + 26-09-44

1944-09-26, 4./JGr. West, Fw 190, Nördlich der Straße zwischen Reede und Rietmolen Prov. Gröningen
Flugzeugführer Uffz Roitinger, Wilhelm, +
Absturz nach Luftkampf um 14.50 Uhr. Bruch 100 %.

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Old 26th March 2016, 20:33
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Re: eBay: Wilhelm Leopold Roitinger + 26-09-44

Matti,

Just saw your response....my answer is yes and no....

First, the crash was reported and also the body recovered by Fl.H.Kdtr.E(v) 204/XI which is Fliegerhorst Twente. They reported it with an NVM. That is the only NVM I know of this loss, I never could find anything from JGr West. I assume this is your source too. The original NVM of 10.10.1944 says;

26.09.1944, 14.45-15.00 Uhr, Fw 190, nördlich Strasse Neede-Rietmolen. Pilot an Uffz. was killed. EM 68455/468. Buried at Friedhof Rietmolen, Grave Nr. 1.

This was reported to proper channels and on 13.2.1945 Flh. Twenthe got info back that the EM belonged to Uffz. Wilhelm Roitinger, born. 15.2.1921.

As the EM number is an 4./JGr West number the name and this unit were added to the NVM and probably the next of kind were informed.

However, it is clear that the pilot must have belonged to an operational unit. 4./JGr West was a training unit and stationed at Märkisch Friedland at that time.

The only units that were flying on that time in that area and which were equipped with the Fw 190 were IV./JG 54 and III./JG 11. In the KTB 3. JD it is mentioned that these units flew operations between 13.45-14.40 and 13.35-14.39 (so times match) and reported following losses;

IV./JG 54: 1 missing (which is Uffz. Altendorf)
III./JG 11: 1 wounded and 3 missing

From III./JG 11 we know of only two losses (Hptm. Funck and Uffz. Barion, both wounded). So, as there are no other units with a possible match, it is 99% sure that Roitinger must have been part of III./JG 11.

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Re: eBay: Wilhelm Leopold Roitinger + 26-09-44

Good point, John. Very probably you are right.

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Old 28th March 2016, 11:07
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Re: eBay: Wilhelm Leopold Roitinger + 26-09-44

Ultra HP 1390:

3 Jagddivision operations on 26th:
First operations: Gefechtsverband JG 11 up 11.03–11.06 with 60 aircraft. At 800m west of Arnhem, Allied aircraft sighted. Stab/JG 11 and III./JG 4 attacked Typhoon fighter bomber formations.

II./JG 27 and I./JG 76 made low-level attacks in area of Driel and south of Driel.

8 victories claimed including 7 Typhoons. At 19.00 hours/26th, 4 German aircraft missing. Remainder landed 12.40–12.53.

Gefechtsverband Spaete up 11.35–11.45 hours with 30 aircraft. Owing faulty navigation target area missed. Low level attacks carried out in area south of Nijmegen on infantry positions, lorry concentrations and gliders. On departure surprise attack by Spitfires from above.

3 victories and one probable claimed. Losses up to 19.00 hours five missing. Remainder landed 12.40 hours.
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Re: eBay: Wilhelm Leopold Roitinger + 26-09-44

The KTB 3. JD gives the same numbers but all times are 2 hours later....

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The KTB 3. JD gives the same numbers but all times are 2 hours later....

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ULTRA always uses Greenwich Mean Time, 2 hours earlier than German summer time.
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Old 30th March 2016, 23:15
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Re: eBay: Wilhelm Leopold Roitinger + 26-09-44

Ahh, but 2 TAF used GMT + 1 or not....??? So ULTRA always GMT...
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