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Old 7th May 2019, 14:03
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Spitfire losses on 21st December, 1943

Hello,
Can anyone add to this list of Spitfires that were lost on the 21st December, 1943 ?
Other users - Such as Russia, Australia South Africa were there any losses this date ?

So far I have only the following.

RAF
EP559 - 501 Sqn.
ER806 - 72 Sqn.
MH475 - 132 Sqn.
MH738 - 132 Sqn.
MH721 - 602 Sqn.
MH492 - 602 Sqn.
MJ287 - 411 Sqn.

USAAF
????? - 52FG/2FS - MACR 16170 ( serial number required ).

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Old 8th May 2019, 01:21
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Re: Spitfire losses on 21st December, 1943

Hello,

AUSTRALIA.

21-12-1943
No.2 Operational Training Unit, Mildura, Victoria.
Spitfire A58-241 (ex-MA395)

Aircraft crashed during "shadow shooting" practice at Lake Victoria, New South Wales.

413063 F/Sgt (Trainee Pilot) Kenneth George WOLKENHAAR RAAF + (Died of Injuries).

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear....aspx?B=689245

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Old 8th May 2019, 02:35
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Re: Spitfire losses on 21st December, 1943

Thank you Col,
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Old 8th May 2019, 08:41
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Re: Spitfire losses on 21st December, 1943

Hi Alex,
Here are some:
K9871 Spitfire Mk.Ia (Flew with 53 OTU, but check) Crashed on takeoff Ouston. CE 21.12.43. SOC 1.1.44. Recat 6.1.44. SOC 15.10.45.
ER806 Mk.Vc (Flew with 72 OTU, but check) Bellylanded short of fuel Sidi Yahia 21.12.43.
JK384 Spitfire Mk.Vc (Flew with 680 Sqn, but check) Swung on landing and overturned Petah Tiqva 21.12.43.
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Old 9th May 2019, 01:26
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Re: Spitfire losses on 21st December, 1943

Thanks Zoran, it all helps.
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Old 10th May 2019, 01:31
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Re: Spitfire losses on 21st December, 1943

I can add
BL634 Vb CBAF M45 24MU 10-1-42 611S 19-2-42 603S 19-2-42 332S 10-4-42 FACB 28-6-42 ros missing 31-7-42 AST 12-11-42 340S 28-9-43 485S 11-11-43 hit sea damaged airframe aircraft abandoned nr Dunbar East Lothian 21-12-43 FH313.50
Source: Spitfire production list available online

The French units in MTO lost no Spitfire that day (the ones in GB also, but they are covered in the Spitfire production list).

In case you did not check MACR 16170, it did not give any aircraft details, only that 1st Lt Norman E English of 52nd FS hit the sea and crashed, being killed. The USAAF personnel database has no details for his aircraft either (http://www.usaafdata.com/search).

No SAAF loss for 21 December 1943. 4 Sqn SAAF lost JG737 on the 20th and 2 Sqn SAAF lost EF611 on the 22nd.
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Old 10th May 2019, 02:33
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Re: Spitfire losses on 21st December, 1943

Thank you Laurent, these extra details are welcome, I had seen the macr and hoped by process of elimination the serial number might come to light. However there are many that were in US service that do not have record of eventual fate. So those that served with the 52FG that fall in that block may include the a/c concerned. But many have no FG link noted.
I trawled through Spitfire International USAAF section and only came up with a possible.
Before Lt. English was killed he had some weeks before ( 1st August 43 ) been in combat and made a claim for an ea, which was approved. I would expect that he was flying his assigned a/c on that occasion. So if that a/c serial comes to light it may well be the one he used on his fatal flight ?
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