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Old 14th July 2011, 21:49
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Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

I think this is the Ju88 down at Imber, nr Warminster. 17/9/40.
Damaged by spitfires of 152 Sqn it landed with wheels up. Markings were L1+XC and all in black which is unusual - on the photo you can't see the codes
It was from Stab II/LG1 and was on its way to Speke (Liverpool).
Can anyone give any more information.

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Old 14th July 2011, 23:09
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

Danny,
Pilot was Maj. Heinz Cramer and became POW.
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Old 14th July 2011, 23:11
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

Thanks Frans, My Grandad took the picture he was serving in the 10th hussars at the time and was based near Warminster.
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Old 15th July 2011, 01:25
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

Hi Danny,

Many thanks for posting the photo, a little gem!
The crew of the Ju 88 were;

Pilot: Major. Heinz Cramer aged 29 Unwounded
Obs: Lt. Otto Heinrich aged 21 Killed
W/T: Ofw. Paul Stutzel aged 27 Wounded
Gnr: Fw. Fritz Schultz aged 25 Wounded

I have sent you a PM as I have found the A.I.(k) report for this aircraft in my files, dont know if you have this already?

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Old 15th July 2011, 06:52
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

Stab II./LG1 Junkers Ju88A-1 (3188). One engine disabled by Blue Section of No.152 Squadron (F/O P.G.St G. OBrian, P/O E.S. Marrs, and Sgt K.C. Holland) during sortie to bomb aircraft factory at Speke and belly-landed at Ladywell Barn, Imber, near Warminster, 2.00 p.m. BO Lt Otto Heinrich killed, FF Major Heinz Cramer (Gruppenkommandeur) captured unhurt, BF Oberfw Paul Stützel and BS Fw Friedrich Schultz both captured wounded. Aircraft L1+XC 100% write-off.
Lt Col Guy Drake-Brockman was later found guilty of behaviour prejudicial to good order and discipline after assaulting two German officers from this crew and dismissed from His Majesty's Forces.
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Old 15th July 2011, 20:58
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

Thanks for posting the photo Danny. Guys do any other photos of this aircraft exist?
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Old 16th July 2011, 11:21
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

Hi Clint,

I only have the one photo, and I'm not aware of any others allthough on the back of my photo my Grandad wrote same again from another view but I have no idea where the photo ended up?

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Old 16th July 2011, 12:37
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

My dad saw this very plane being shot down over Trowbridge- as recounted in the thread on P/O Eric 'Boy' Marrs
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Old 16th July 2011, 20:29
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

That is a shame about the other possible photo Danny, but hey one is better than none so thanks again to you for posting it and your Grandfather for taking it.
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Re: Ju88 shot down Nr Warminster

Gentlemen...

Agreed, a very interesting photo, and much information provided by you all. However, I have a question.

Peter has kindly provided information which may indicate this is an A-1 sub-type, yet closer examination of its right wing clearly shows it has an 'inserted' aileron and the wintip extends beyond this control surface. Might this not be, in fact, an A-5 instead?

I am of the understanding that some damaged machines were rebuilt at the repair yards with parts from other aircraft. Could this perhaps be one of those, refitted with a later wing, but originally constructed as an A-1?

Yours in confusion ,

Paul

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