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Old 15th May 2012, 13:54
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Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

Came across this Internet Article in http://www.divernet.com :-

http://www.divernet.com/Wrecks/40889...ron_annie.html

The story of Iron Annie
Apperared in DIVER February 2010

A mystery German aircraft from World War Two has come to light in the Black Sea. Ukrainian diver Andrey Nekrasov is part of the team that has been fighting the elements to reveal its story

IT ALL STARTED WHEN we came across a document concerning a German Junkers Ju-88 bomber that had been brought down near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine. The aircraft had been lost in the waters of Odessa Bay.
Our research was into Air Regiment 69, a combat unit that took part in the Soviet defence of Odessa against the Germans during World War Two, and it appeared that the Junkers 88 had been brought down by "Hero of the Soviet Union" Topolsky Vitaliy Timofeyevitch.
Last year, the Department of Underwater Heritage of the Archaeological Institute of Ukraine accorded official status to an expedition to find the aircraft, with the practical part of the research entrusted to divers of the Laboratory of Underwater Technologies, led by Vlad Tobak.
The search for the plane began in the vicinity of Vorontsovsky lighthouse in September, and it took only a few days for the clear contours of an aircraft to show up on the side-scan sonar. We were sure that they indicated a Ju-88.
We watched the first diver plunge in to fasten the line. Visibility was about 3m, water temperature 8°C, and at the wreck's depth of 23m, it was as dark as night.
I remember the thrill and anticipation we felt as we watched the diver's bubbles. When he surfaced, he paused for a long time before informing us that: "The plane is overturned".
Excitedly, the next couple of searchers prepared to dive. We were all bursting for action!
But when we compared our description of the Ju-88 to the information delivered by this second buddy-pair, it became clear that this wreck was something different.
The propeller blades remained intact, but their construction was two-blade.
A right-angled section of fuselage carried a corrugated skin - and there were no bombs beneath the wings.

IT WAS CLEAR TO US THAT THIS WAS NOT a Ju-88 at all, but it was a Junkers.
It had to be a Ju-52/3m, nicknamed Auntie Ju, or Iron Annie. During the Spanish Civil War, the Ju-52 was called the Pava, which means turkey.
The Ju-52/3m (the 3m stands for "drei motoren" or three-engined) formed the basis of the Luftwaffe's passenger and military transportation. It would be difficult to confuse this three-engined giant with anything else, so we had 100% identification of the model.
However, we had come across no mention of a crashed Ju-52 in this area. The plane seemed to be a ghost!
The aircraft was now under the protection of the Department of Underwater Heritage, with our own team given access to research facilities that might enable further information to be gleaned.
Nothing emerged, however, and autumn and winter storms prevented any more work under water. The discovery was kept secret until its announcement at the start of 2009.
At last, pleasant spring weather allowed our vessel Calypso to put to sea. Back at the wreck site, we buried ourselves in silt, and in turbid water and zero visibility we searched around the cabin windows, largely by touch.
The results were intriguing.We lifted a number of objects that had lain under water for 60 years. There was a Thermos flask carrying the signature
of its owner, Wichert, probably a crewman, and a belt of his - the buckle was signed "Wich". We also found boots and shoes.
The footwear indicated that at least one of the crew had survived. The Wehrmacht's standing order was that, in case of a landing on water, aircrew had to remove their shoes and overclothes as a precaution against drowning.
New work began on the wreck in summer. To complete identification, we needed to find more items carrying names, but everything was lying under 1.5m of silt mixed with sea-shells. We couldn't do it without an airlift.
Clearing the plane has had to be done slowly and laboriously, to avoid the risk of damaging any documents, but a diver can spend only so long at a time at 20m-plus, even working in shifts.
As I write, a year has passed since we discovered the plane, and we have only recently managed to penetrate it. It was very narrow inside, and zero visibility complicated proceedings.
At first we recovered from the seabed personal items such as a shaving brush, toothpaste and brush, a torch, part of some goggles, and a cap that one of the crewmen must have kept since the Spanish Civil War.
Then our findings became more interesting: cassettes; part of a sword-belt bearing the name "Koch"; and a briefcase containing a folder with colourful air maps, each separated by foil sheets in case of fire.
In September 2009, the items were officially handed over to the Department of Underwater Heritage.
Then, while working through the cabin, we reached the desk of a radio operator. We were close now to our ultimate prize - the doors into the cockpit. We cleared the silt beneath the doors and opened the narrow left-hand fold, but the other was blocked by pieces of the plane's load-bearing skin.
It took some time to clear this blockage and open the second fold. The cockpit was covered in silt, and we could see that much work lay ahead to remove it, but by now the weather was getting worse, so we had leave it for the year.
When we penetrate the cockpit, we expect to solve the final pieces of the mystery of this Ju-52.
Finding the works number on the instrument sub-panel and above the doors will give us 100% identification.
While in service, this plane seems to have undergone no fewer than seven basic modifications. Each Ju-52 had six usage options/designations: transport (E), regular (passenger) (R), trainer (H), military transport (St), sanitary (S), or parachute landing force (F).
Meanwhile, at the Department of Underwater Heritage, laborious work is being carried out to restore and preserve the maps we discovered.
Only a few pages have been processed so far, but we understand that the entire itinerary of every flight made by this plane is marked, as well as some marks in ink pencil.
When this work is complete, the life of this Iron Annie will be laid out before us.

SOURCE :- http://www.divernet.com/Wrecks/40889...ron_annie.html

Do Not know if further information on this Aircraft has been reported in this forum and if there are any new updates ?

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Old 15th May 2012, 14:42
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Re: Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

The name in the sword-belt is not Koch, but Kroh. The following is the aircraft found in the Sea:

1942-01-13, 4./KGr.z.b.V. 104, Ju 52/3mg4e, 6857, G6+GW, (Targsorul-Nou), Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Ringel, Horst, vermißt
Beobachter Oberstlt Frhr. von Jena, Axel (Gruppenkommandeur), vermißt
Bordfunker Ofw Möller, Wilhelm, vermißt
Bordmechaniker Ofw Volkmann, Alfred, vermißt
Bordmechaniker Ofw Wichert, Johann (Urlauber). vermißt
Fluggast Uffz Krebs, Emil (Werw.-Uffz), vermißt
Fluggast Ogfr Kroh, Karl (Fernsprecher von Fl.H.Kdtr. E 19/XII.), vermißt
Fluggast Hptm Mack, Karl (Urlauber und Komp.-Chef von Ln.-Stelle), vermißt
Fluggast Owm Zink (Urlauber von Flak.), vermißt

Because the aircraft has disappeared without any trace, location (Targsorul-Nou) is given as the destination of the flight.

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Old 15th May 2012, 15:44
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Re: Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

Many Thanks Matti ,

Was this information made available after this Wreck was found or has this been mentioned in other source or in Archival records before ...?

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Old 15th May 2012, 18:09
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Re: Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

I have no idea. This info is from my database and based on NVM in WASt.

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Old 24th May 2012, 12:07
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Re: Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

The Aircraft as recorded flew from Targsorul-Nou which is a city in Targsorul Nou, Prahova, Romania

But the Transport Aircraft of Group 104 (4./KGr.z.b.V. 104 Group) in January 1942 was based at Nikolayev - Ukraine from 9.41 - (?) 3.42 , Air Fleet 4 Ju 52.

So possible it was flying from Targsorul Nou - Prahova Romania to may be Nikolayev (Mykolaiv) - Ukraine where its base was.

If you look at the attached map Odessa falls on the Flight Path. and may be the flight was lost due to Attacks by Russian Aircraft or due to technical failure.



Is there any more information on the Final destination of the Aircraft and the Crew from any other source ?

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Old 29th May 2012, 07:42
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Re: Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

Dear Matti,

As per this website :-

In Russian archive (http://www.airwar.ru/history/av2ww/axis/luftloss/luftloss11-20-01-42.html -

If we look at Losses on 13 January 1942, Sr No 7) there are 5 crew members + 5 passengers, so total 10 People ?

So are we Missing ona Co-Pilot ? or an other Crew - GUNNER ?


CREW:- Pilot Lt Ringel, Horst, MIA
CREW:- Radio Operator Ofw Möller, Wilhelm, MIA
CREW :- Flight Engineer Ofw Volkmann, Alfred, MIA
CREW :- Flight Engineer Ofw Wichert, Johann (Urlauber). MIA

CREW or PASSANGER :- Beobachter Oberstlt Frhr. von Jena, Axel (Gruppenkommandeur), MIA
Maj./Obstlt. Axel Freiherr von Jena (c.15.03.40 - 01.42 MIA). - Unit Commander of 4./KGr.z.b.V. 104 Group ?


PASSENGER :- Uffz Krebs, Emil (Werw.-Uffz), MIA
PASSENGER :- Ogfr Kroh, Karl (Fernsprecher von Fl.H.Kdtr. E 19/XII.), MIA
PASSENGER :- Hptm Mack, Karl (Urlauber und Komp.-Chef von Ln.-Stelle), MIA
PASSENGER :- Owm Zink (Urlauber von Flak.), MIA



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Re: Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

Some Pictures from the Wreck :-









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Re: Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

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Update Source form the

http://www.ww2.dk/Lw%20Offz%20-%20G-...ril%202012.pdf


JENA
, Axel, Freiherr von.
04.03.40 acting Kdr. Flieger-Ausb.Rgt. 14?
c.15.03.40 Maj., appt Kdr. KGr.z.b.V. 104 (to 01.42 MIA).
01.04.41 promo to Obstlt.
00.41 Obstlt., Kdr. KGr.z.b.V. 108. 1
3.01.42 Obstlt., Kdr. KGr.z.b.V. 104 MIA - Ju 52 (G6+GW) lost near Odessa.
1943 Kdr. II./TG 5. 1943-44 Kdr. TGr. 20,
subsequently KIA.

JENA, Axel, Freiherr von. was also veteran of civil war in Spain and the Polish campaign of 1939.


Source :- Doug Stankey


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Re: Junkers Ju-53 Wreck near Odessa, the Black Sea port in southern Ukraine ?

Does any member have any pictures of the following please :-

1. Ju52 of KGzbV104:
  • At an airfield in Targsorul Nou, Prahova Romania in January 1942
  • Or at Nikolayev which was the base of KGzbV104 in January 1942
  • Or at Targsorul Nou, Prahova Romania in January 1942 with the same group KGzbV104
  • Or any photos of Ju52 with the same group KGzbV104
And

2. looking for Photos of the Following Luftwaffe Officers:-
  • Pilot Lt. Ringel Horst (104 4./KGrzbV Group). Veteran of the Polish campaign of 1939 - Missing 13.01.1942
  • Oberstleutnant, Baron Axel Freiherr von Jena. group commander: (104 4./KGrzbV Group) - 1940-1942, (Kdr. II./TG5) - 1943, (Kdr. TGr20) -1943-1944. Veteran of civil war in Spain and the Polish campaign of 1939 - He was killed in line of duty in 1944 as Commander of 20 Transport Group.
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