Abbreviations on charts

[Gary_D]

Mr. Prien,

I'm reading through volume 9 part III about JG 5, and I have some questions about the charts.

In the victory charts, what does N.N. mean?

And why, when there is a known pilot, is the victory number sometimes still ( .)?

In the loss charts, what do the various abbreviations in the last column mean, i.e.

rt. 2 +
rt. 4 +
ws. 9 +
ws. 9 + 1
ge. 11 +
ge.10 + 1
sw. << + 1
PD + EG
etcetera.

Again in in the loss charts, column 4 shows the status of the pilot. I assume that a cross means dead, verw. means wounded, and verl. means missing, but what do these mean?

(v.)
v.
KG
(KG)

Thank you.

[Andy Fletcher]

Hi Gary,

N.N. means name not known

rt. is the abbreviation for rot meaning red
ws. = weiss = white
ge. = gelb = yellow
sw. = schwarz = black

The numbers are tactical markings and the bar after the balkenkreuz "+" identifies the gruppe

see the following link
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgmark.htm

ws. 9+I would be White 9 of III.Gruppe

PD + EG is what is known as stammkennziechen which are factory codes.

verw. means verwundet = wounded
verl. means verletz = injured
v. means vermissen = missing
(v.) means missing but returned later
KG. means kampfgefangen = captured (POW)
(KG.) probably means captured but escaped later

I appologise for any errors with the translation as my German is very poor.

Best Regards

Andy Fletcher

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher

verl. means verletz = injured
v. means vermissen = missing
(v.) means missing but returned later
KG. means kampfgefangen = captured (POW)
(KG.) probably means captured but escaped later

I apologise for any errors

Andy Fletcher

A couple of small errors in the above:

verletzt = injured
vermisst = missing
KG = Kriegsgefangener = Prisoner of War

I worked out what "N.N." meant from the context but as fro the words it stands for: «Name nicht gemeldet» maybe? (name not reported). It would work well in English though ("No Name").

[Gary_D]

Thank you!

[Jochen Prien]

Dear Nick,

the "N.N." is an abbreviation for a person so far not identified; it's origins are Latin for sure although there is some dispute as to what it actually stands for - it can be either " nomen nescio " ( literally translated: " I don't know the name " ) or " nomen nominandum ", which would translate as " name yet to be given ". Apparently the former solution is the more likely one but I have no ways to tell for sure.

Be this as it may, "N.N." in German is a common way to name a person whose exact name you don't know, if you pardon me that game with words.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Jochen Prien

[Gary_D]

Originally Posted by Jochen Prien

Dear Nick,

the "N.N." is an abbreviation for a person so far not identified; it's origins are Latin for sure although there is some dispute as to what it actually stands for - it can be either " nomen nescio " ( literally translated: " I don't know the name " ) or " nomen nominandum ", which would translate as " name yet to be given ". Apparently the former solution is the more likely one but I have no ways to tell for sure.

Be this as it may, "N.N." in German is a common way to name a person whose exact name you don't know, if you pardon me that game with words.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Jochen Prien

Hello Mr. Prien,

Does that mean that the original German documents didn't list a victor, or is there some uncertainty for another reason?