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Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
Hallo all, sometime after WW2 a French P-47 was simulating a dogfight with a P-38, when the P-47 lost control and crashed into some woods near Darmstadt. The year could have been 1947, but no one knows for sure anymore. The pilot was killed in the crash. Does anyone have access to post-WW2 loss lists from the French Airforce? I am looking for data on pilot and aircraft. I have been to the crash site and this has been interesting me for years now. Thanks, Danny
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
I e-mailed Didier as I cannot read French. Thanks, Danny
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
Danny,
The French Forces d' Ocupation used for there P-47 this airbases in Germany: Friedrichshafen Trier Koblenz-Niedermendig all off them are former German Airfields. During 1947 this units where in Germany: GC 2/2 "Alsace" GC 2/3 "Dauphine" GC 1/4 "Dauphine" GC 1/4 "Navarre" GC 1/3 "Navarre"GC 1/5 "Champagne" GC 2/3 "Champagne" GC 2/5 "La Fayette" GC 2/4 "La Fayette" They lost several planes and pilots, mostley during Combat and Dogfight Training. For the Rapport d' Enquette the best way you write at the Armee de l' Air, Service Historique at Paris. I have had an crashsite from 1/5 and they send me the complett file include photos etc. Bests, Hans |
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
Danke Hans, the problem is, I cannot narrow down the date or even the year. There is only one witness and he said sometime after war's end and up to early 50s. That makes it a big window. I also received a link with a database of French crashes/losses and none fit the Darmstadt, Eberstadt area. Danny
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
Sure its a french P-47 ?
Around the city of Darmstadt are dozens of P-47 crashsides - most of them march 45 and later, also in the Biblis area several P-47 crashes April 45 and later. khorat |
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
Hi problem, it's certainly not Darmstadt who was used for named place of crash ...exemple for 1947 ...
16/01/1947 BENDORF ALLEMAGNE CNE DE CHANTERAC (bl) P-47 D 44.20688 11/04/1947 TREVES ALLEMAGNE SGC COSTES (i) P-47 D NON PRECISE 23/04/1947 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE LTT VICKER (i) P-47 D 44.20935 "9V-A" 11/05/1947 LAHR ALLEMAGNE CNE TANGUY (bl) P-47 D 44.20814 26/05/1947 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN ALLEMAGNE SGT BOURREAU (i) P-47 D 44.20382 "M" 04/06/1947 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE ADJ TRESCASES (i) P-47 D 44.20701 "H" 23/07/1947 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE SGC DUFFORT (i) P-47 D 44.20658 24/07/1947 MEERSBURG ALLEMAGNE CNE DEFAUCAMBERGE (tué) P-47 D 44.3391 15/09/1947 TEPFENHARD ALLEMAGNE ADJ GEMMMENOZ (i) P-47 D 44.20909 19/09/1947 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN ALLEMAGNE SGT BACHES (ou BUCHEZ) indemne P-47 D 158 07/10/1947 SEEMOS ALLEMAGNE ADJ REYNAUD indemnes P-47 D 44.89797 27/10/1947 RIENGGEN HAUSEN ALLEMAGNE SGC DUFFORT indemne P-47 D 44.20921 only one was killed : 24/07/1947 MEERSBURG ALLEMAGNE CNE DEFAUCAMBERGE (tué) P-47 D 44.3391 Bsrg, Dan
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
For 1946
11/01/1946 FRIEDRISCHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGT PARAVY indemne P-47 D 44.20910 11/02/1946 TREVES ALLEMAGNE LTT BOUILLY indemne P-47 D 44.19671 24/02/1946 WEINGARTEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE LINTEAU tué P-47 D 44.20924 11/03/1946 TREVES ALLEMAGNE SLT SCHNEIDER indemne P-47 D 44.20919 AF-W 13/03/1946 TREVES ALLEMAGNE RFA SGT EPAILLY indemne P-47 D 44.20689 AF-D 19/03/1946 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE CLC GERMAIN indemne P-47 D 44.20373 20/03/1946 NASSAU ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE L'ESPINAY indemne P-47 D 44.20042 "G" 26/03/1946 TREVES ALLEMAGNE SGT PELLETAMME indemne P-47 D 44.33694 30/03/1946 ROSTINGEN ALLEMAGNE SGC MICHAUD tué P-47 D 44.20355 9V-Q 07/04/1946 DONAUESHINGEN ALLEMAGNE SGC MOURAUD indemne P-47 D 44.20350 08/04/1946 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE RFA SLT FARRIOL indemne P-47 D 44.33768 09/04/1946 RAVENSBURG ALLEMAGNE SGT LALES indemne P-47 D 44.20349 20/04/1946 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE FABRE indemne P-47 D 584 (?) 17/05/1946 NIEDERMENDING ALLEMAGNE RFA ADJ MASSART indemne P-47 D 44.20361 28/05/1946 SEBKRA D'ORAN ALGERIE SGC COSTES blessé P-47 D 44.20942 01/07/1946 BERNKASTEL ALLEMAGNE SGT MOSER tué P-47 D 44.20693 01/08/1946 BRANBACH ALLEMAGNE CNE AUBERT indemne P-47 D 44.20054 07/08/1946 HARTZENBULL ? ASP ANDRIEUX tué P-47 D 44.33677 27/09/1946 LAHR ALLEMAGNE CDT JENNY CLARK indemne P-47 D 44.20031 18/10/1946 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE SGT DAVID indemne P-47 D 44.33657 (?) Killeds : 24/02/1946 WEINGARTEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE LINTEAU tué P-47 D 44.20924 30/03/1946 ROSTINGEN ALLEMAGNE SGC MICHAUD tué P-47 D 44.20355 9V-Q 01/07/1946 BERNKASTEL ALLEMAGNE SGT MOSER tué P-47 D 44.20693 07/08/1946 HARTZENBULL ? ASP ANDRIEUX tué P-47 D 44.33677
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
For 1948
21/01/1948 FRIEDRISCHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC MARTIN P-47 D 44.33397 "E" 23/01/1948 FREIDRISCHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE LEMAIRE (i) P-47 D 44.20690 03/04/1948 EPPINGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGT CASANAVE (i) P-47 D 44.20363 20/04/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC LECOCQ (i) P-47 D 44.20378 09/05/1948 THUR ALLEMAGNE SGT VAISSE (bl) P-47 D 44.20014 01/06/1948 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE SGC RABOKOGNE (i) P-47 D 44.33769 07/06/1948 AILINGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE DESHAYES (i) P-47 D 44.33405 07/06/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA ADC NAVARRO (i) P-47 D 44.20018 17/06/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE LCL STEFF (i) P-47 D 44.90039 28/06/1948 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE RFA ADJ TIXADOR (i) P-47 D 44.33409 28/06/1948 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE SGT ROUBAUD (i) P-47 D 44.20918 02/08/1948 GERBERHAUS ALLEMAGNE SGC SAINTE MARIE (bl) P-47 D 44.20907 03/08/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE CHANEL (t) P-47 D 44.20380 17/09/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC BRAZY (i) P-47 D 44.33769 28/09/1948 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA ASP PROST (i) P-47 D 44.33670 "Z" 01/10/1948 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC MARTIN (i) P-47 D 44.20027 15/11/1948 ECKENDORF ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC EPHRITIKINE (i) P-47 D 44.89823 15/12/1948 MENGEN ALLEMAGNE CNE LORIDAN (i) P-47 D 44.490139 Killed or no 21/01/1948 FRIEDRISCHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC MARTIN P-47 D 44.33397 "E" Killed 03/08/1948 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE CHANEL (t) P-47 D 44.20380
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Re: Help! French P-47 loss near Darmstadt, Germany
For 1949
31/01/1949 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE (R.F.A.) ADJ LASTAPIS - LTT BARREAU indemnes P-47 D 44.33682 24/02/1949 TANNEAU ALLEMAGNE (RFA) LTT VARENNE (t) P-47 D 44.90134 28/03/1949 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA LTT SCHNEIDER (i) P-47 D 44.20946 "H" 14/04/1949 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA SGC RAQUIN (i) P-47 D 44.20351 F-UHFV 4L-V 19/04/1949 FRIEDRICHSHAFFEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CDT BOUTON (bl) P-47 D 44.33683 12/05/1949 NIEDERMENDIG ALLEMAGNE RFA LTT AURIOL (i) P-47 D 44.20009 30/05/1949 CREFELD ALLEMAGNE RFA ADJ LECOQ (i) P-47 D 44.3535 02/08/1949 BEIZHOFEN MENGEN ALLEMAGNE RFA CNE SAINT-JOHN DE CREVECOEUR (bl) P-47 D 44.33764 One Killed 24/02/1949 TANNEAU ALLEMAGNE (RFA) LTT VARENNE (t) P-47 D 44.90134
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