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Old 22nd January 2017, 16:54
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P-38 Losses 1942

Hello,
Just to perhaps cover "old ground" but the Tony Woods files have the following claims for 1942.

28 November - 7.
29 November - 1.
30 November - 2.

How many of the above claims have been either confirmed or otherwise ?

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Old 19th November 2017, 11:11
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Re: P-38 Losses 1942

I would check A History of the Mediterranean Air War, Vol. 3 for claims and losses.

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Old 19th November 2017, 11:35
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Re: P-38 Losses 1942

28-11-1942 Ofw Emil Babenz JG26 20km W. Mateur:tiefflug

28-11-1942 Fw Helmut Kulz JG53 8-9km S. Ferryville: sicht

28-11-1942 Ofw Sterfan Litjens JG53 3-4km E. Ferryville: 20-30m

28-11-1942 Hptm Friedrich-Karl Muller JG53 20km E. Mateur 1500m

28-11-1942 Fw Erich Paczia JG53 4-5km S. Hafen Bizerta: sicht

28-11-1942 Fw Erich Paczia JG53 3km NE Ferryville: sicht

28-11-1942 Ofw Gunther Seeger JG53 (location not shown)

29-11-1942 Uffz Jens Bahnsen JG53 10km SW Pont du Fahs: 2000m

30-11-1942 Fw Anton Hafner JG51 15km SW Tunis: 600m

Cannot find a second entry for 30-11-1942

Hope this may help kind regards Ross
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Old 19th November 2017, 11:45
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Re: P-38 Losses 1942

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28-11-1942 Ofw Emil Babenz JG26 20km W. Mateur:tiefflug

28-11-1942 Fw Helmut Kulz JG53 8-9km S. Ferryville: sicht

28-11-1942 Ofw Sterfan Litjens JG53 3-4km E. Ferryville: 20-30m

28-11-1942 Hptm Friedrich-Karl Muller JG53 20km E. Mateur 1500m

28-11-1942 Fw Erich Paczia JG53 4-5km S. Hafen Bizerta: sicht

28-11-1942 Fw Erich Paczia JG53 3km NE Ferryville: sicht

28-11-1942 Ofw Gunther Seeger JG53 (location not shown)

29-11-1942 Uffz Jens Bahnsen JG53 10km SW Pont du Fahs: 2000m

30-11-1942 Fw Anton Hafner JG51 15km SW Tunis: 600m

Cannot find a second entry for 30-11-1942

Hope this may help kind regards Ross
Additional claim 30-11-42:

Supplemental un-timed Claims from Lists.

30-11-42 Fw Hans Feyerlein 6./JG 53 P-38 Ref: JG 53 Lists f. 1677

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Old 19th November 2017, 17:52
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Re: P-38 Losses 1942

28/11/42 2 x P-38s lost from 14th FG near Bizerta, 2 badly damaged

29/11/42 2 x P-38s lost from 1st FG

30/11/42 1x P-38 lost 14th FG

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Old 19th November 2017, 18:12
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Re: P-38 Losses 1942

Hello,
Those were the claims,
But I found it difficult to match losses.
28th 14FG, 2 a/c were s/d and pilots Butler and Skinner were Kia, and 2 other a/c were badly damaged.
29th 1FG 1 a/c s/d, pilot Hubbard safe and 1 a/c c/l after combat, pilot Forsythe safe.
30th 14th FG 1 a/c s/d, pilot Cole became POW.

For extra,
28th there were 3 losses, 2 in the USA, including 1 fatal and 1 in the UK.
30th there were 3 losses in the USA, including 1 fatal.

Alex

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Old 20th November 2017, 23:45
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Re: P-38 Losses 1942

Hello,
So, this is what I have found so far...

28th November 1942
Lt. Allen (NMI) Scales - KIA - 1st FG/71st FS.
1Lt. Carl F. Skinner - KIA - S/D - P38F - 41-7655 - 14FG/48FS.
1Lt. James E. Butler - KIA - S/D - P38 - 41-7654 (?) -14FG/49FS.
Also two P38s badly damaged - 14FG.
Schwabe, Robert T. - P38F - 41-2371 - 3rd PRG/12th PS - UK(?).
Brittin, George S. - P38E - 41-2056 -329th FG/330th FS - California, USA.
McAllister, Donald F. - KIS - P38F - 41-7512 - 329th FG/332nd FS - California, USA.

29th November 1942
Major. Mark E. Hubbard - Safe - S/D - P38F - 1st FG/94th FS.
2Lt. Paul J. Forsythe - Safe - C/L - P38F - 1st FG/94th FS.

30th November 1942
2Lt. Arthur V. Cole - POW - S/D - P38F - 41-7644 - 14th FG/48th FS.
Fishman, Jack S. - P38F - 41-7675 - 329th FG/337th FS - California, USA.
Leighton, John A. - P38E - 41-2289 - 55th FG/54th FS - Alaska, USA.
Smith, Ronald R. - KIS - P38F - 41-2353 -329th FG/331st FS - California, USA.

All or now
Alex
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