Redesignation of V./KG 2

[Chris Goss]

Ulf Balke indicates that V./KG 2 became II./KG 51 around 6 Feb 44. However, two aircrfat were still lost 23 Feb 44 marked up with U5 and the first loss of an Me 410 for II./KG 51 was not until 19 April 1944 so does anyone have a definitive date?

[Karoband]

Hi Chris,

The relevant document is available online in Bundesarchiv file RL 2-III/58 p.0053.

Dated 6.2.1944:

"Betr.: Umbennung von Kampfverbanden.

1.) Mit sofortiger Wirkung werden umbenannt:

II./K.G. 51 in III./Kampfgeschwader 3

V./K.G. 2 in II./Kampfgeschwader 51 ...".

Best regards,

Jim

[Chris Goss]

Thanks but doesn’t explain why last V./KG 2 loss was 23 Feb and first II./KG 51 loss was 19April

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

Thanks but doesn’t explain why last V./KG 2 loss was 23 Feb and first II./KG 51 loss was 19 April

Checking the reference Jim gave (thanks Jim!) the final paragraph on page 2 of the letter accounts for three of the missing weeks:

»Durchführung ist durch die Luftflottenkommandos bis zum 1.3.1944 and Genst.Gen.Qu.2.Abt. zu melden«

("Luftflotte Commands are to be report completion to the General Staff, Quartermaster General, 2nd Department by 1 March 1999")

All orders like this seem say "with immediate effect" (»mit sofortiger Wirkung«) in the opening paracgraph and then give the actual target date in the closing one.

[Chris Goss]

Thanks Nick but 1999??😉

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

Thanks Nick but 1999??😉

I never said I could type!

[edNorth]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

I never said I could type!

That said (sad). UK education has elderly-classes for such, no?
but we here up in Iceland do.

No, I am not a miracle writer, but I notice such details.

And PS, U5+ codes ex-KG 2 were just kept on V/KG 2 aircraft untill scrapped
in Brunnthal. Just look in book (I helped with research)

Ed

[edNorth]

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

Ulf Balke indicates that V./KG 2 became II./KG 51 around 6 Feb 44. However, two aircrfat were still lost 23 Feb 44 marked up with U5 and the first loss of an Me 410 for II./KG 51 was not until 19 April 1944 so does anyone have a definitive date?

Especially that U5 aircrfat ...

Ed

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by edNorth

That said (sad). UK education has elderly-classes for such, no?
but we here up in Iceland do.

Ed

You make it sound like an absolute riot!

[edNorth]

Really? We actually have writing class too!

Riots happened be in Londons City Centre (Trafalgar and No. 10) on my second reseach trip to Kew back in 1992. I did not start them, Poll tax did. And I took the type-ing (hammering on an typewrinter) class back in 1973. Later learning spelling near correctly, Yes, I am elderly, I do not riot.

Ed