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Old 6th October 2010, 21:59
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Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

Hello!

I am new here, my name is Marko. I am from Slovenia. I have some airplane parts (I was told that there crashed German Bf 109). Here are some pictures from those parts.

I would be grateful if somebody out there could tell me if they are from the 109.

Crash site is South from the city of Celje, Slovenia (during ww2 the town was called CILLI, YUGOSLAVIA).

Thanks in advance!

M.
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Old 6th October 2010, 23:09
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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

Have you find data plate with W.Nr.?
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Old 7th October 2010, 00:22
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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

Yes, Me 109.

In the first picture you have part of the mainspar centre section with lifting ring.

In the second, what seems to be a portion of tailplane with section of elevator (minus fabric) attached.

In the last picture of top row you have the mass balance weight from the tip (front top) of the rudder. This will be a heavy steel weight.

What other parts have you found?
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Old 7th October 2010, 22:44
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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

Hello Marko,

How far to the south from Celje is the crashplace? I have to known Bf 109 losses for this area, but unfortunately only one partly known Werknummer.
If would be great to identify this one. Please look for any numbers on the parts you have found.

best regards,
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Old 7th October 2010, 23:59
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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

Hello!

Pilot - I haven't found any plate yet - unfortunately.

Andy – Thank you for all the informations and for confirmation that this is 109 (Can you maybe post any picture that points that parts on airplane?).

Tomislav – I don't have exact coordinates of the crash site (a few miles - aproximatelly airline). Could be in 1943 (I am not sure). Can you post the data about German airplanes that you have for this area?

Do you maybe have any information about one Russian airplane that crashed East from Celje (in the begining of 1945). I was told so by one old man.

I search also information about 100% s/d German airplane, that attacked the B24 (Peacemaker), that was later s/d by them (4 German airplanes attacked the B24) on 25.2.1944. Tail gunner s/d at least one German airplane (north from Celje).

Does anyone have informations about German losses on this area that day (maybe which German unit cover this area at that day).

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Old 8th October 2010, 01:03
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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

On one small part there is ID 26992.

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Old 8th October 2010, 12:58
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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

Hello Marko,

These are the losses that mention Celje as the crash-location.

19.03.44 Bf 109 G WNr. unbekannt 2./JG77 Fw. Gerhard Staroste, Luftkampf mit P-38 - Absturz, FSA, (bei Cilli/Celje) - 100% rt.?+

24.05.44 Bf 109 G-6 WNr.16x253 10./JG27 Oblt. Ernst-Georg Altnorthoff (verw.), Luftkampf - Absturz, FSA, Neu-Cilli (Celje) / Sachsenfeld - 100%

I have also one loss for the 25.02.44 that could fit

25.02.44 Bf 109 G-6 WNr.162405 Stab I./JG53 Oblt. Horst Torrau (verm.), Luftkampf mit 4-mot - Absturz, FSA, 50km NNW Laibach - 100% TV+KG

The pilot from this loss is still missing. Please have in mind that the loss locations in general over the ex Yugoslav teritory are often very unprecise. The main air battle on the 25.02.44 took place in the Graz-Klagenfurth area, but it can not be excluded that Oblt. Torrau followed the bombers all the way to Celje.

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Old 8th October 2010, 16:04
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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

"50 km NNW Laibach" ist way too far to the west. And Sachsenfeld (Žalec) lies west of Celje.http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CC4Q9QEwBQ
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Old 8th October 2010, 18:24
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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

Thank you Tomislav!

I have heard for the one that crashed between Celje and Žalec.

Is there any data about how those airplanes were painted (on one part there is some red color-tail section?).

Is there any German reports that are avaliable for this territory from that time?

About that B24 that was s/d on 25.2.1944 (in MACR there is written - mission Regensburg), but I am 100% sure that they were on the way to Graz (possible pilot mistake? - joined to wrong formation??). Crash site is here in Slovenia (Information abot crash was given from the Rural German police here). I was able also to talk with some local people that have seen that (a have a few parts from this airplane-received from the local people-not found). 7 crew members died and 3 were captured by the Germans (all 3 survived the ww2).

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Re: Bf 109 parts found in Slovenia!

'the red color-tail section' may be the color of primer

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