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Old 19th November 2020, 15:34
Andrey Kuznetsov Andrey Kuznetsov is offline
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Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943

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Bf109G-6 WNr.15978 from 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943 was lost in LQu.75684, i.e. in the Black Sea, SE of Gelendzhik, far from the shore and further out the German-held territory. Nethertheless he returned, as no info about the pilot loss.
Seenot didn't report any rescuee that day, Kriegsmarine - the same. How did the pilot survived?

It seems something wrong, maybe location or something else.

Is the pilot's name known?

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Old 19th November 2020, 18:32
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943

Hello Andrey,

according to JFV 12/II the pilot of the Bf 109 G-6 15978 crash-landed west of Gorlowka (PlQu 34 Ost/7968.), he was unhurt. Therefore no name in the GQM loss return. The PlQu. 75684 is a typo.
On 5 Sep 1943 the base of the III./JG 52 was Stalino. The four claims on this day were located at the PlQu. 79393, 79484, 79684 and 79883, areas north of Stalino.

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Old 19th November 2020, 18:50
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943

Leo

Sorry if this ends up in the "stupid questions department", but I have never really got the hang on PlQ and how to locate them.

If the crash was in 34 Ost/7968 but all claims PlQ have five digits, shouldn't the crash place also have five digits (or is it possibly so your dot means one digit is missing)?

I notice one claim is in 79684 which with a corrected digit 5 to a 9 would make at least some sense to me....

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Old 19th November 2020, 19:56
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943

Hello Stig,

in JFV 12/II is the map "Luftwaffen- und Jägermeldenetz Ostfront ab Sommer 1943". In the Luftwaffenmeldenetz the area west of Gorlowka is situated in the Großtrapez 79, in the Mitteltrapez 6 and in the Kleintrapez 8. The exact point is unknown to me. Therefore I have omitted the fifth digit and replaced by a dot.

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Old 19th November 2020, 20:43
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943

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according to JFV 12/II the pilot of the Bf 109 G-6 15978 crash-landed west of Gorlowka (PlQu 34 Ost/7968.), he was unhurt. Therefore no name in the GQM loss return. The PlQu. 75684 is a typo.
Thank you!
I have JFV 12/II, but I didn't look at it before asking the question. Shame on me!

5.Sep.43 was the day of one of "convoy battles" so I thought the loss in question was during that clash.

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Old 19th November 2020, 21:00
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943

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Hello Stig,

in JFV 12/II is the map "Luftwaffen- und Jägermeldenetz Ostfront ab Sommer 1943". In the Luftwaffenmeldenetz the area west of Gorlowka is situated in the Großtrapez 79, in the Mitteltrapez 6 and in the Kleintrapez 8. The exact point is unknown to me. Therefore I have omitted the fifth digit and replaced by a dot.

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Leo
Thanks Leo

So PlQ 34 Ost/79684 is a plausible spot then.

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Old 19th November 2020, 21:02
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Re: Bf109G-6 WNr 15978 7./JG52 5.Sep.1943

I have checked JFV 12/II finally. Indeed, in the text the location is "w.Gorlowka" but in the loss list (p.499) the info is the same as in the Gen.Qu. return (75684).

But III./JG52 was in the Donbass indeed, so WNr 15978 hardly fell into the Black Sea

I wonder where the authors found the info about "w.Gorlowka" location?
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