Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 22nd November 2020, 12:57
cz_raf cz_raf is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Czech Republic, Prague
Posts: 241
cz_raf
Luftwaffe operations over the Celtic Sea on 13.12.1943?

Hi all, I would like to ask for help in following matter:

On 13. 12 1943 at 07.02 RAF Liberator reported an unknown enemy aircraft approx. 50 nautical miles west of Isles of Scilly. Crew has spotted the enemy at the distance of 500 yards before it turned into clouds and disappeared. They reported it may be a Fw 190 but as it was far enough, the identification may be incorrect.

A lonely Fw 190 seems quite unlikely to me, I would expect rather some twin-engine long range reconnaissance or weather-reconnaissance aircraft?

So I would like to ask if anybody has available any information about a Luftwaffe aircraft operating in this area on this day around this time? The RAF used BST at the time, i.e. GMT+1, Luftwaffe had CET, i.e. GMT+1 so the German time should be the same - 07.02.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Pavel
__________________
http://cz-raf.webnode.cz
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 22nd November 2020, 13:15
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 4,759
Nick Beale will become famous soon enough
Re: Luftwaffe operations over the Celtic Sea on 13.12.1943?

I have this from the Air Operations Watch report for the day (ZIP/No. 1020):
Reconnaissance in western end of Channel by NAG 13 from Morlaix. Intention: 2 Fw 190 up 1145 [British Summer Time] in 14 West 4935 for recce of 15 West 51 and 61. No sighting reports were made.
The major report effort that day was by Fw 200s and Ju 290s looking for a convoy out in the Atlantic. During the afternoon a Ju 88 was due up on security reconnaissance as well.
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 22nd November 2020, 13:34
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 9,134
Chris Goss will become famous soon enough
Re: Luftwaffe operations over the Celtic Sea on 13.12.1943?

A few German aircraft around AM 13 Dec 43 namely 2 Ju 290s of FAG 5 and a Fw 200 of III./KG 40 (which landed in Ireland). No mention of a Liberator and the crew appears not to have reported this to Coastal Command
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 23rd November 2020, 22:51
cz_raf cz_raf is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Czech Republic, Prague
Posts: 241
cz_raf
Re: Luftwaffe operations over the Celtic Sea on 13.12.1943?

Nick and Chris, thank you both!
The crew of 311 Sq was led by the Squdron CO W/C Nedved MBE DFC so the sighting of an nemy was reported for sure. The strange moment is that it is not stated in the squadron ORB which is quite vague, but it is mentioned in the group ORB.


While reading your replies I am thinking of posssibility there was just a confusion Ju 290 x Fw 190?


Pavel
__________________
http://cz-raf.webnode.cz
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NEW BOOK - LUFTWAFFE & THE WAR AT SEA DavidIsby Books and Magazines 27 29th June 2012 01:15
RAF Bomber Command 'Y' Reports Bruce Dennis Allied and Soviet Air Forces 8 29th December 2011 22:58
National Archives Kew David P. Williams Allied and Soviet Air Forces 17 4th June 2010 02:44
Airpower summary Pilot Post-WW2 Military and Naval Aviation 0 23rd February 2007 16:11
Luftwaffe fighter losses in Tunisia Christer Bergström Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 47 14th March 2005 05:03


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:14.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net