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Old 10th January 2016, 13:04
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Re: Hans Philipp 1943

Ok Nick, since you insist... I felt that it was not such a big deal for Robert, or anyone else for that matter, to share the details here on the TOCH on the Polish aircraft Hans Phillip shot down that day, and that it would not affect the EoE project in any way. In short, I supported your view expressed in post No.15, so I was somewhat taken by surprise when you requested additional clarification.

Hope that this clarifies the matter.

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Old 10th January 2016, 21:13
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Re: Hans Philipp 1943

Nick, here is an example from allaces.ru. look at the episode for the 12 Jan 1943 involving the six I-16 from the 4 GIAP KBF escorting the two Pe-2 (73 BAP KBF). Those two attacking fighters were Philipps and Reinhardt claiming their Pe-2 (143) and Pe-2 (16) both at 14:05. No losses from the 73 BAP KBF but the claim by 4 GIAP KBF for a Bf 109 was also not valid.
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Old 11th January 2016, 13:09
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Ok Nick, since you insist... I felt that it was not such a big deal for Robert, or anyone else for that matter, to share the details here on the TOCH on the Polish aircraft Hans Phillip shot down that day, and that it would not affect the EoE project in any way. In short, I supported your view expressed in post No.15, so I was somewhat taken by surprise when you requested additional clarification.

Hope that this clarifies the matter.

Regards,
Sinisa
I had an idea that's what you meant and fully agree with you, just thought I'd check my understanding of your post before throwing in my lot with its sentiment. The result of one combat is hardly going to spoil an entire book project and most TOCH members would know that I fully intend to publish my database eventually...
...and yet, here on the board, as a thanks to all who help and have helped me, I never hold back from helping members out by publishing its content from time to time when it is relevant to do so. History belongs to us all and whereas I understand a lot of new info can't always be posted prior to the publication of a particular book or such, making people "wait til it's published" on every single minute skerrick of information is just twaddle.
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Old 11th January 2016, 13:12
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Nick, here is an example from allaces.ru. look at the episode for the 12 Jan 1943 involving the six I-16 from the 4 GIAP KBF escorting the two Pe-2 (73 BAP KBF). Those two attacking fighters were Philipps and Reinhardt claiming their Pe-2 (143) and Pe-2 (16) both at 14:05. No losses from the 73 BAP KBF but the claim by 4 GIAP KBF for a Bf 109 was also not valid.
Hi Nokose, thanks for this. I had inaccurate info left over on my database that stated these victories were claimed as IL-2s. I had the date from allaces.ru marked to check back over because I had found the losses on their listing but had not yet 'found' the German claims pertaining to them. You've really clarified something for me here and I definitely appreciate it.
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Old 11th January 2016, 13:40
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Re: Hans Philipp 1943

Post No.23: Nick, thank you for the note, I believe that we fully agree on this one.
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Old 11th January 2016, 21:39
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Re: Hans Philipp 1943

According to dr Tomasz Kopański and Łukasz Łydżba on the 5th Sept. 1939 Lt. Philipp shot down by mistake Hs 126B from 2.(H)/23 (crew: L. Ernst G. Aschmann and Uffz. Alfred Weissel - both killed). German plane crashed in the forest near Radziechowice, about 5-10 km SW of Radomsko. In his report Philipp claimed victory over "polish high-wing aircraft" (later claimed as PZL P.24) 7 km SW of Radomsko. "Polish" pilot bailed out but his chute failed.

According to witnesses from the ground, German pilot bailed out but he slipped out of the parachute harness and fell on the cemetery in Radziechowice (It coincides with Philipp's report). The second member of the crew was killed earlier and crashed in the cockpit of the plane. Both were buried by the parish priest and Radziechowice residents on the local cemetery, but in 1940 were exhumed.


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Old 11th January 2016, 23:11
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Re: Hans Philipp 1943

I checked once again in new book of Łukasz Łydżba about III/6 Dywizjon Myśliwski (Fighter Squadron). This Hs 126 was shot down on the 3rd of Sept. 1939 by kpr. Zbigniew Urbańczyk from 162. EM.

Previous information came from 2009 article. So, I'm sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Hans Philipp 1943

Hi Artur,

it was another plane. Hs 126 was in fact shoot down by Polish fighter.

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Old 12th January 2016, 01:32
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Re: Hans Philipp 1943

Here is a problem with the PlQu. in Tony Woods list and the list in Prien's JFV 12/III in trying to determine which is right (Involves Philipp and Reinhardt)
23 Feb 1943
Philipps Yak-1 (173) 08.50 Prien 36 Ost/10512 Woods 00412
Philipps Yak-1 (174) 08.53 Prien 36 Ost/10392 Woods 00392
Philipp Yak-1 (175) 08.55 Prien 36 Ost/10363 Woods 00363
Philipps Yak-1 (176) 08.59 Prien 36 Ost/10334 Woods 00334
Reinhardt Yak-1 (29) 08.57 Prien 36 Ost/10364 Woods 00364

Before this they match and after this they match. So can any of the experts out there provide which one is correct from their flight books.
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Old 12th January 2016, 02:39
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Hi Artur,

it was another plane. Hs 126 was in fact shoot down by Polish fighter.

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So (...and running the grave risk of repeating myself....) what exactly did Philipp shoot down that day? Here's your big chance....

Artur, thanks by the way for your informative post and attempt to add something to this discussion.

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