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Old 3rd June 2018, 10:56
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Allies losses on 12/03/43 by JG2 ?

Hello all

I'm looking for possible victims today in the Rouen/Fecamp region:time 13h00
claimed by JG2.

one B-17
three Spits
one Typhoon !!

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Michel
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Old 3rd June 2018, 21:03
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Re: Allies losses on 12/03/43 by JG2 ?

The Air Force Chronology for Friday, 12 March 1943:

(Eighth Air Force) VIII Bomber Command Mission No. 42: 72 B-17's are dispatched by the 1st Bombardment Wing against the Rouen-Sotteville marshalling yard; 63 drop 156.5 tons of bombs on the target between 1241 and 1244 hours local. There are no losses and no claims on this mission; good fighter escort is a major factor in this no-loss mission. Eighteen B-24's of the 2d Bombardment Wing fly a diversionary mission with no losses or claims. The 4th Fighter Group flies 43 sorties in their Spitfire Mk V's; 41 are flown on a flighter sweep and 1 Spitfire is shot down near St. Omer, France; the pilot is listed as MIA; we claim 2 enemy aircraft damaged. The other 2 sorties were shipping patrols.


A Spitfire loss: BL240 flown by Hazen S Anderson (POW), near St Omer. No MACR.

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/19175

Lemke claimed an RAF Spitfire near Fecamp on 12 March 1943.
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/lemkes.html
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Old 4th June 2018, 15:22
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Re: Allies losses on 12/03/43 by JG2 ?

Hello Michel,

in JFV Vol. 10/IV (Einsatz im Westen 1943) the following confirmed claims of JG 2 and JG 26 on 12 March 1943 are listed:

11./JG 2 Fw Karl Gratz Spitfire – diverging Tony Wood: B-17 – (84.) 13.05 30 km NW Fécamp, 2000 m
1./JG 2 Uffz Siegfried Lemke Spitfire (1.) 13.10 20 - 25 km N Fécamp, 7.500 m
1./JG 2 Lt Josef Wurmheller Typhoon (67.) 13.11 50 km N Fécamp, 7.000 m

12./JG 2 Lt Georg-Peter Eder Spitfire (16.) 13.05 38 km NW Fécamp, 7.000 m
12./JG 2 Lt Heinrich Paulus Spitfire (1.) 13.07 NW Fécamp, 7.000 m

9./JG 26 Fw Edgar Dörre Spitfire (6.) 16.38 Gravelines, 5.500 m
A note on page 76: Bei einem weiteren Jagdvorstoss durch Spitfire der 4th FG der 8th USAAF am Nachmittag kam es zu einem kurzen Luftkampf mit einigen Fw 190 der III./JG 26, die dabei den Abschuss einer Spitfire um 16.38 Uhr bei Gravelines meldete. Tatsächlich büßten die Amerikaner eine Spitfire im Luftkampf ein, wohingegen sie selbst drei Fw 190 beschädigt haben wollen.

So there is no connection of the Spitfire BL240 loss and the JG 2 claims.

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Leo
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Re: Allies losses on 12/03/43 by JG2 ?

A quick look and I have no Typhoons lost that day and a Spitfire of 340 Sqn damaged
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Re: Allies losses on 12/03/43 by JG2 ?

Thanks guys

This confirms that these claims by JG2(and "abschusse"),are unfounded.
Still "abschusse" (Eder,Lemke....) awarded,more than suspicious....a habit with JG2.

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