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Old 3rd July 2014, 13:05
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Re: Seeking date & ID of 14.(Z)/LG1 Bf110C FL on French Beach circa 08.40

Hi,

Note this a/c is NOT in Northern France but certainly in Normandy between Calvados and Cotentin. Any expert of Normandy coast ?

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Old 3rd July 2014, 21:31
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Need first name of Uffz ___ Otten, of 3./StG1 FL at Oronsko, Poland, on 25.09.39

Hello,

Does anyone have the first name of this pilot, or his gunner's name?

25 September 1939:

3./StG1 Junkers Ju87B. Belly-landed at Oronsko following attack on central Warsaw 12.15 p.m. FF Uffz[ ]Otten and gunner both unhurt. Aircraft damage state not recorded.


I believe that this a/c was coded A5+KL.

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Old 4th July 2014, 01:22
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Seeking ID & other photos of this FL V(Z)/LG1 Bf110 circa 1940 WC or BoB; probably in France

Hello,

Can anyone provide further photos, perhaps showing codes L1+?? of this FL Bf110. Can anyone ID this incident, probably in France during the WC or the BoB of 1940? V.(Z)/LG1 became a night fighter unit (NJG3) in early Oct., 1940, after being nearly wiped out during the Battle of Britain.

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-T2h...-T2hHmNL-L.jpg
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Old 4th July 2014, 08:57
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Dating a funeral for a V.(Z)/LG1 Crew

Hello,

I'm trying to determine the date of a funeral at Mannheim AF, Germany, for a Bf110 crew from V.(Z)/LG1. There have been several photos of this sold on eBay, one with "Mannheim" written on the back. I want to profile one of two unit aircraft used in the funeral ceremony for their fallen comrades, Bf110C L1+FH. Based upon the number of personnel present, it would appear that a substantial number of personnel from at least one Staffel were present at the ceremony. The date of this funeral is important because it may put a date on the use of the light blue (65) over spray that had been applied to the fuselages of the two ceremonial aircraft.

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-5cP...-5cPHtHw-L.jpg

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-36s...-36shTBH-L.jpg

http://ihra.smugmug.com/photos/i-Jp5...-Jp5N6wh-L.jpg

There were only two crews that were lost which would most likely be associated with this loss:

22 April 1940: 15.(Z)/LG1Messerschmitt Bf110C-1. Crashed into houses near Mannheim-Sandhofen and burnt out following engine failure on maintenance test flight. (FF) Oberlt Walter Clausen (Staffelkapitän) and mechanic killed. Aircraft 100% write-off.


If this crew, the photos of the funeral could have been taken within a couple of days of the crash.



After the beginning of the WC on 10 May, V.(Z)/LG1 transferred from Mannheim to Wiesbaden on 13 May, and on to Ste Marie, Belgium, on 21 May.



A 13 Staffel crew was lost near the unit airfield at St Marie, Belgium, in L1+EH on 21 May 1940:

21 May 1940: 13.(Z)/LG1 Messerschmitt Bf110C (3524). Believed elevators jammed on take-off causing crash 1km south-west of Ste-Marie on escort sortie for KG2 attack on Persan-Beaumont airfield 6.00 p.m. FF Oberfw Alois Stegemann and BF Uffz Georg Solluch both killed. Aircraft L1+EH 100% write-off.



Unless the unit sent the remains of the Stegemann crew back to Mannheim for the funeral, and there were still enough unit personnel there to account for the photos, this would seem too late for the funeral in the photos. Other photos of the Stegemann crash confirm that L1+EH carried the light blue over spray seen on L1+FH, the first dated evidence for this camouflage in the unit. However, based upon several photos of unit a/c known to have been taken early in the WC, the 15 Staffel loss on 22 April seems too early for this camouflage change to have started. Several other photos show the unit's Bf110s in standard green upper surface camouflage during the beginning days of the WC.



So does anyone have any other photos which show this funeral at Mannheim, and especially that might show the tail of L1+FH, that is partly obscured in these photos? I'm hoping that additional photos might also provide either the date of the funeral or the names of the crewmen being buried, thus confirming a date for the new camouflage scheme.


Can anyone help?
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Old 4th July 2014, 09:12
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Re: Seeking SN of 88 SQ Fairey Battle RHoR abandoned in Hangar at Mourmelon AF, France, during May, 1940

If not a 7 then a 2?
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Old 4th July 2014, 09:25
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Re: Seeking SN of 88 SQ Fairey Battle RHoR abandoned in Hangar at Mourmelon AF, France, during May, 1940

Kevin,

Please see your PM file.

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Old 4th July 2014, 11:04
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Re: Dating a funeral for a V.(Z)/LG1 Crew

Cannot be May 21, because both killed are buried at Lommel/Belgien, Block 2, Grab 307 and 368.

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Old 4th July 2014, 12:14
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Re: Need first name of Uffz ___ Otten, of 3./StG1 FL at Oronsko, Poland, on 25.09.39

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Larry,
may you know the reason of this force landing: A/A or engine damage but non combat reason?

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Old 4th July 2014, 15:53
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Re: Need first name of Uffz ___ Otten, of 3./StG1 FL at Oronsko, Poland, on 25.09.39

Mirek,

We have translated the I./StG1 KTB for the PC, but it doesn't specifically state the reason for this incident. It took place following a combat mission to downtown Warsaw, which was opposed by "strong flak of all calibers." Under remarks, one a/c of 2./StG1 had a "wing seriously damaged by flak," and then noting that Uffz Otten of 3./StG1 belly landed at the airfield." It doesn't give the reason for the belly landing, although it can be inferred that it was due to flak damage. I have nine views of this a/c in the EoE LW Loss/Damages DB, but none show any obvious flak damage. However, the belly landing did major damage to the engine and prop, as well as shearing away the main wheels. This will likely be one of our EoE color profile a/c for 3 Staffel representing the PC.

Still need to know the first name of this pilot, and the name of his gunner, if possible.
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Old 4th July 2014, 16:10
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Re: Need first name of Uffz ___ Otten, of 3./StG1 FL at Oronsko, Poland, on 25.09.39

Larry,
you well know, that on 25.09. was dane against Warsaw very heavy fire attack by LW + field artilerry. Very terrible day for citisens and defenders, plenty killed (5000-10 000?) + many huge fires in whole Warsaw area. The attack totaly crushed the defence spirit and the city very soon capitulated after it (27.09. - the end).

During this day defenders claimed several victories, but no so many (1 Ju 87 - 100% loss of 11./LG 1 + 2xJu52). This Ju 87 matched to it, but not as a totaly destroyed and not specified the reason of damage (pilot's error or combat damage?).

Thanks for comments,
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