Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 14th December 2011, 14:49
Laurent Rizzotti Laurent Rizzotti is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 2,917
Laurent Rizzotti is on a distinguished road
Do 18 D-3 WNr 819, 10 June 1940

Hello,

I would like to know the crashplace of the Do 18D-3 WNr 819 of 2./KüGr 906, lost on 10 June 1940.

I have two possible locations:
_http://www.rafandluftwaffe.info/luftwaffe1.html gives the location of Gardvik, 40 km north of Haugesund: there is a place calle Gardvik near Etne, 45 km NE of Haugesund
_ http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de says the crash happens "2,5 nautical miles outside Haugesund"

According to the second source, the crew was the following:
(FF) Fw. Heinrich Wraage KIFA
(B) Ltn.z.S. Max Altenkrüger KIFA
(BF) Uffz. Gerhard Krause KIFA
(BM) Uffz. Walter Ernst unhurt

To confuse things a little more, Lt Altenkrüger is on the Volksbund database: he is commemorated on the Kriegsmarine memorial at Laboe with a date of death given as 11 June 1940.
An Uffz Gerhard Krause (a far more common name) is buried in Trondheim, and is also shown to have died on 11 June.

Thanks in advance
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 15th December 2011, 08:21
Peter Cornwell's Avatar
Peter Cornwell Peter Cornwell is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 1,451
Peter Cornwell is on a distinguished road
Re: Do 18 D-3 WNr 819, 10 June 1940

I have the following listed on 11 June 1940:

2./KüFlGr. 906 Dornier Do18 (819). Lost control and crashed into sea off Hiskosen, 15km north of Haugesund, while low-flying during early morning reconnaissance sortie 1.30 p.m. Wreckage beached at southern end of Bømlo Island. BO Lt zur See Max Altenkrüger, FF Fw Heinrich Wraage, and BF Uffz Gerhard Krause all killed, BM Uffz Walter Ernst unhurt – rescued by fishing boat. Aircraft 8L+HK 100% write-off.
A subsequent enquiry concluded that the unqualified observer was at the controls and had mis-judged their height while flying too low and into sun over calm water.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 15th December 2011, 11:24
Laurent Rizzotti Laurent Rizzotti is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 2,917
Laurent Rizzotti is on a distinguished road
Re: Do 18 D-3 WNr 819, 10 June 1940

Thanks Peter. Seems to me that this happens during the night between 10 and 11 June 1940 (well, at least what is remaining of night in June in Central Norway...), hence the confusions on dates: take off probably on the 10th and crash in the early hours of the next day.

By the way, there is probably a typo in your data:"during early morning reconnaissance sortie 1.30 p.m. " should probably be read 1.30 a.m ?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 15th December 2011, 15:44
Peter Cornwell's Avatar
Peter Cornwell Peter Cornwell is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 1,451
Peter Cornwell is on a distinguished road
Re: Do 18 D-3 WNr 819, 10 June 1940

Laurent,

No, I'm confident that the (BST) time is correct as shown. If Robert S is following this thread perhaps he can confirm ? This loss was on 11 June 1940 during return from an early morning reconnaissance mission and not a night sortie. My wording was unclear I agree so now amended as follows:

11 June 1940: 2./KüFlGr. 906 Dornier Do18D-3 (819). Lost control and crashed into sea off Hiskosen, 15km north of Haugesund, while low-flying on return from morning reconnaissance sortie 1.30 p.m. Wreckage beached at southern end of Bømlo Island. BO Lt zur See Max Altenkrüger, FF Fw Heinrich Wraage, and BF Uffz Gerhard Krause all killed, BM Uffz Walter Ernst unhurt – rescued by fishing boat. Aircraft 8L+HK 100% write-off.
A subsequent enquiry concluded that the unqualified observer was at the controls and had mis-judged their height while flying too low and into sun over calm water.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15th December 2011, 16:27
Laurent Rizzotti Laurent Rizzotti is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 2,917
Laurent Rizzotti is on a distinguished road
Re: Do 18 D-3 WNr 819, 10 June 1940

Thanks, it's now perfectly clear.

Best regards
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15th December 2011, 17:48
RT RT is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: FRANCE
Posts: 3,630
RT is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Do 18 D-3 WNr 819, 10 June 1940

Seems the right date is 11.June , 2 times reported in the KTB , Gardvik Hiskjoe south end of the island Bömmelö about 15km north of Haugesund. a report is existing on the event

Rémi
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 22nd December 2011, 18:44
Knut Larsson's Avatar
Knut Larsson Knut Larsson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 1430 Ås, Norway
Posts: 90
Knut Larsson
Re: Do 18 D-3 WNr 819, 10 June 1940

Hi Laurent and Peter.

Just saw your posting to day. This area is wellknown to me. As I indicated on my website the flying boat crashed in the Hiskosen area SW of island Bømlo. The crash took place at night exactly at bay Gardvik, just close to island Hiskjo. This is also confirmed by RT. In 1940 it was a little fishing station based on island Hiskjo. I am aware that a German report that the crash took place 15 km N of Haugesund. This is probably a typo error as the distance to Hiskjo is appx 35 km N of Haugesund. According to local fishermen nothing was found of the wreck. To day Hiskjo is a wellknown outdoor area.

Greetings from wintercold Norway

Knut Larsson
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
British Second-Line Aircraft lost in France Sept. 1939 - June 1940. Martin Gleeson Allied and Soviet Air Forces 23 23rd March 2020 21:36
BF109G-12 RT Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 12 1st January 2011 19:16
Loss 18 June 1940 dahiot daniel Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 7 3rd June 2010 13:06
Hurricane shot down 18 June 1940 Brian Allied and Soviet Air Forces 4 20th October 2009 22:49
10 June 1940 - 103 Sqn Greg S. Allied and Soviet Air Forces 1 22nd March 2009 12:56


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:22.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net