Colour scheme Bf-110 II./ZG76

[Daniel]

How about https://www.eduard.com/out/media/Inf...-2011-02EN.pdf or https://www.eduard.com/out/media/Inf...-2012-12EN.pdf?

Kind regards,
Daniel

[Buckeye30]

Hi Quax. This must have been a Fifteenth AF mission to Klagenfurt airfield, they flew 8 between November 1943 and December 1944; Me110s and Ju88s were being used in daylight as well as at night ( NJGs 1 and 5 against the big Eighth AF raid on Berlin 6 March 1944).
There were several reports of " all black" aircraft meeting USAAF missions ( including Mustangs and Spitfires) but by this time the night fighters had changed to greys 74/75/76 with mottled sides ( as in Danny's model) or still the earlier green-greys 71/02/65 with mottle.
A former Luftwaffe FW190 pilot stated that there were black Mustangs on his field and black Spitfires were reported over Sicily by Twelfth AF in 1943 ( also a black Me109 before that). The early-war dark greens could be mistaken for black but by this time they were not used on fighters. Alvin Juchheim (78FG) thought he'd shot down an Me109 , black with a number "5"; at least his wingman saw it go down.
I think you can go with "M8" codes anyway bearing in mind John's comments above.
Nick

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

Hi Quax. This must have been a Fifteenth AF mission to Klagenfurt airfield, they flew 8 between November 1943 and December 1944; Me110s and Ju88s were being used in daylight as well as at night ( NJGs 1 and 5 against the big Eighth AF raid on Berlin 6 March 1944).
There were several reports of " all black" aircraft meeting USAAF missions ( including Mustangs and Spitfires) but by this time the night fighters had changed to greys 74/75/76 with mottled sides ( as in Danny's model) or still the earlier green-greys 71/02/65 with mottle.
A former Luftwaffe FW190 pilot stated that there were black Mustangs on his field and black Spitfires were reported over Sicily by Twelfth AF in 1943 ( also a black Me109 before that). The early-war dark greens could be mistaken for black but by this time they were not used on fighters. Alvin Juchheim (78FG) thought he'd shot down an Me109 , black with a number "5"; at least his wingman saw it go down.
I think you can go with "M8" codes anyway bearing in mind John's comments above.
Nick

Thank you. I'll take care of it. Of course it is very likely that the Bf-110 was wearing "M8". It is proven that it belonged to the staff II.ZG76.
You'll never really know it again.
The microfilm document is about the 24.2.1944. It was the bombing of Steyr Daimler Puch AG Werke. I have many reports of it, not only from the bomber squadrons but also from the Fighter squadrons. 82nd Fighter Group, 95.,96.,97. Squadrone, or 325th Fighter Group. You're probably right that the color tradition in the reports is very imprecise.

Daniel: Thank you "Eduard" I know. Very good documentation.

[Buckeye30]

You have probably seen this strike photo then ? (the 2 April mission). Apparently after the 2 April raid the aircraft engines moved to Vienna and the bearings to Linz.
Nick
https://www.459bg.org/PhotoAlbumPhot...s.cfm?PID=1025

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

You have probably seen this strike photo then ? (the 2 April mission). Apparently after the 2 April raid the aircraft engines moved to Vienna and the bearings to Linz.
Nick
https://www.459bg.org/PhotoAlbumPhot...s.cfm?PID=1025

Hick Nick,
I've never been on the 459th side before. But I also have similar pictures from 24th February 1944 in my microfilms. The picture of the 459th from the 2nd of April 1944 is also the same destination Steyr Daimler Puch AG. Yes exactly there engines and airplane parts were manufactured, however, predominantly ball bearings.

Enclosed are some interesting documents about the bomb attack of 24 February 1944. There are many mission reports of the bombers and fighter squadrons. So I can "prove" my searched Messerschmitt Bf-110 relatively well as crash and in combat on this day. Maybe I'll even find a better document of a fighter piot which deals with this Bf-110.

Markus

[Buckeye30]

Thanks Markus. I think this was a B-17-only mission. Not quite what you wanted but you may find this interesting; I did this for the old Armyairforces website, the targets for "Big Week".
The Intelligence Office posted figures for the week ( in April) which no doubt have been corrected since.
Bombers dispatched 8,148 lost 400

Fighters dispatched 4,454 lost 39

Tonnage dropped 19,177
Enemy fighters shot down in air 642.
Regards
Nick

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Originally Posted by Buckeye30

Thanks Markus. I think this was a B-17-only mission. Not quite what you wanted but you may find this interesting; I did this for the old Armyairforces website, the targets for "Big Week".
The Intelligence Office posted figures for the week ( in April) which no doubt have been corrected since.
Bombers dispatched 8,148 lost 400

Fighters dispatched 4,454 lost 39

Tonnage dropped 19,177
Enemy fighters shot down in air 642.
Regards
Nick

Very interesting.
I also think that there were only B-17´s on that day. In the German records a shooting down of a US bomber of this Bf-110 was noted. Whether this information is correct is unclear. Probably this was propaganda to explain the heroic death of the pilots.

Text attached shows this information from a book of the village of the crash site.

[Peter Kassak]

mentioning Claasen, then it is Stab II./ ZG 76, lost 24.2.1944, Bf 110 G- WNR. 6430 Sout of LInz, is the location OK?

[QuaxDerBruchpilot]

Originally Posted by Peter Kassak

mentioning Claasen, then it is Stab II./ ZG 76, lost 24.2.1944, Bf 110 G- WNR. 6430 Sout of LInz, is the location OK?

Hi Peter,
Great to hear from you.

Yes, correct. Otto Kurth and Paul Claasen Z.G. Molln, crash place Molln/Austria in south/east of LINZ.

It's really hard to figure out the coloring. Our wreck parts are grey in the usual RLM but the wing edge is yellow! So no night fighter painting at all. Staffelkennzeichen "M8" is very likely according to previous posts.
Thank you very much
Markus

[Peter Kassak]

M8 it is for sure.. at that time the second part of the call sign was a digit.. but its unknown to me which digit. Yellow wing tip is possible a remain from eastern front. As well as yellow or red rvt band on fuselage. Else typical rlm64/75/76 camo for sure. As a stab plane could have some extra marking on tail...but it was not a rule.