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Old 12th August 2005, 18:52
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Bf 110 G9+CR : Any information available?

Hello,

I am looking for information about Bf 110 G9+CR. I assume it was a nightfighter of NJG1. Unfortunately, the Wk.Nr. is not known, so there could have been several different Bf 110 with this code.

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Old 12th August 2005, 21:28
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Re: Bf 110 G9+CR : Any information available?

Here is some additional information:

Quite probably one of the crew member's name was Ortmann, although I don't think he was the pilot. But he participated on at least 20 victories, so his pilot must have been well known. Perhaps that helps to identifz G9+CR or even Ortmann.

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Re: Bf 110 G9+CR : Any information available?

Hello Roger,

I think you are searching Bordfunker Johan Ortmann:
* 21.08.1921
+ 21.04.1995

He came in 1941 to the 7./NJG 1 in Twente.
On 14.10.1941 Gfr. Erhard Bruhnke and Uffz. Ortmann make their first claim.
On 28.12.1941 Uffz. Ortmann participated with Oblt. Woltersdorf, III./NJG 1.
At the beginning for 1942 he flow with Gfr. Bruhnke and Oblt. van Hagenow. Then Lt. Werner Rapp was his new pilot. In August 1943 both were tranfer to the 5./NJG 5. Uffz. Ortmann flow with Lt. Rapp until the end of the war.
Uffz. Ortmann participated on 20 claims in 90 missions.

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Coen Cornelissen
van Grasmat tot Fliegerhorst
Oldenzaal 1998
ISBN 906693090X

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Old 14th August 2005, 13:46
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Re: Bf 110 G9+CR : Any information available?

Hello Roger & Willi,


Regarding Bf 110 G9 + CR I have the following from the NJG1 WASt returns;

01./02.06.42 Bf 110E-2 Wnr.2643 G9 + CR 75% 7/NJG1
Oblt. Helmut Woltersdorf (FF)
Obfw. Heino Pape (BF)
Notlandung, Twente.

27./28.05.44 Bf 110G-4 Wnr.740052 G9 + CR 100% 7/NJG1
Uffz. Joachim Tank (FF) Wounded
Uffz. Günther Schröder (BF) Killed
Uffz. Heinz Elwers (BS) Killed
Luftkampf.

28./29.7.44 Bf 110G-4 Wnr.140220 G9 + CR 100% 7/NJG1
Ofhr. Werner Kasmann (FF) Killed
Gefr. Werner Rosenkötter (BF) Killed
Ogefr. Gerhard Lederer (BS) Killed
N/Norderney, Luftkampf.

Hope this helps.

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Old 14th August 2005, 14:55
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Re: Bf 110 G9+CR : Any information available?

Hello Willi and Melvin,

That was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much. It is amazing how quickly such information can be found with the help of this community of Luftwaffe experts.

I assume that the G9+CR I was looking for was probably the first in Melvin's list Wk.Nr. 2643 as it was flown by Woltersdorf. Is there any photo of Rapp, Woltersdorft, Bruhnke and especially Ortmann published somewhere?

I did some web-search for Rapp and found the following list of victories

16.12.42 Ltn. Rapp 7./NJG 1 Stirling Gortel 500m 7 k SW Epe 21.50 C 2027/I Anerk Nr 03.02.43 Ltn. Werner Rapp 7./NJG 1 Halifax 5 km NW Quakenbrück 5000m 20.48 C 2027/I Anerk Nr.52 30.03.43 Ltn. Werner Rapp 7./NJG 1 Lancaster Waverveen 3 km W Vinkeveen 4800m 04.11 C 2031/II Anerk Nr.66 30.03.43 Ltn. Werner Rapp 7./NJG 1 Stirling 2-4 km ESE Flgpl Marham 4300m 04.49 C 2031/II Anerk Nr.70 24.05.43 Ltn. Werner Rapp 7./NJG 1 Halifax 7384 I4 5800m 01.03 C 2031/II Anerk Nr.80 28.05.43 Ltn. Werner Rapp 7./NJG 1 Halifax 6342 4500m [6 km WSW Emmen] 01.47 C 2031/II Anerk Nr.88 12.06.43 Oblt. Werner Rapp 7./NJG 1 Lancaster HN-12 at 6000m [Deventer] 02.44 C 2027/I Anerk Nr.89 13.06.43 Oblt. Werner Rapp 7./NJG 1 Lancaster FO-15 6300m 01.50 C 2027/I Anerk Nr.91 13.06.43 Oblt. Werner Rapp 7./NJG 1 Halifax FP-37 6000m [Lingen] 02.06 C 2027/I Anerk Nr.94 21.12.44 Oblt. Werner Rapp 5./NJG 5 Li-2 RC-48: at 2.200m. 20.15 2035/II Anerk Nr - 22.12.44 Oblt. Werner Rapp 5./NJG 5 Li-2 25 Ost S/RB-76: 1.500m. 21.00 2035/II Anerk Nr - 22.12.44 Oblt. Werner Rapp 5./NJG 5 Li-2 25 Ost S/QB-53: 1.800m. 21.22 2035/II Anerk Nr - 22.12.44 Oblt. Werner Rapp 5./NJG 5 Li-2 25 Ost S/RC-46: 1.800m. 22.04 2035/II Anerk Nr -




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Flugbuch Ortmann for trade

I have recently received the original logbook of Ortmann which includes all of his 90 combat missions as well as the 20 confirmed kills (stamped and signed). He even flew bombing missions against Russion troops at very end of the war in Me 110 nightfighters.

I would be willing to offer this extremely rare logbook with 20 aerial victories in trade for a logbook that belonged to a pilot who flew with the Me 262. I know they are rare as well, but perhaps a collector who is mainly interested in nightfighters and in logbooks with so many confirmed kills is willing to trade.

Please send me a PM if interested.

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