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Old 23rd February 2010, 23:03
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Re: Friendly fire WWII

Hello Brian
still interested in these friendly fire cases?

1940-Jan-06;13:15; MBR-2; Tac Nr 5; 41 AE; Dam.; Busygin st.lt (Pilot) OK, Miroshnichenko, kapt (Nav) OK, Stepantsov ml.kom (AG/WO) OK; River Olonka; Own goal; Force-landed after attacked by 5 I-153s of VVS 8.A while it was returning from bombing mission against Mantsi. MBR-2 got appr 50 hits on engine, fuel tank etc, engine stopped, force-landed at 13:22 3km N of the mouth of the river
Source: Geust et al Red Star 5 pp. 87-88 ,179

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Old 24th February 2010, 16:06
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Hi Juha

I trust you are well.

Many thanks for the latest - not one I had recorded! Just in time to go into Volume I, which should appear by the summer.

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Old 25th February 2010, 02:01
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Hi Juha

I trust you are well.

Many thanks for the latest - not one I had recorded! Just in time to go into Volume I, which should appear by the summer.

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Old 25th February 2010, 11:13
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Hello Brian
I’m more or less OK
so another MBR-2 case
1939-12-06; 12:25; MBR-2; construction nr. 14/629; 41 AE; Destr.; Tsyplakov Petr A. lt (Pilot) KIA, Petrov st.lt (Nav) WIA, kapt Belov Sergey V. (KIA), Grishkov Vasiliy ml.k-r AG/WO (KIA); Vidlitsa / Vitele; Own goal; Shot down by 4 I-16s from 49 IAP (kapt Sizov, st.lt. Murzilov, st.lt Bobrov, adj. Savushkin)
Source: Geust et al Red Star 5 pp. 64-66 ,178



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Hello Brian, do you have 1x Hurricane lost (pilot killed) and 1x damaged by own ack-ack at Malta 22 January 1942?

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Hello Brian
a few more


1939-11-30;; SB;; LVO; Forced down;; Veino;Own goal; Fighters of VVS KBF forced down after air surveillance service of NKVD misidentified the SB as a Ju 86
Source: Geust et al Red Star 5 p. 56

1939-11-30;; I-15bis;; 12 OIAE;W/O; Kulakov P.Ya. st.lt (Pilot) para;Khabolovo;Own goal;Shot down by SB of LVO during air-combat between 7 VVS KBF fighters and 3 SBs
Source: Geust et al Red Star 5 p. 56, 178

1939-12-01;;R-5;;; Shot down;Tereštšenko (pilot) WIA;Akkul / Leningrad Oblast;Own goal;Soviet AA shot down
Source: Vihavainen & Saharov (ed.): Tuntematon Talvisota s. 176

1939-12-01;17:00;SB;;41 SBAP;Destr.;Inozemtsev (Pilot) KIA, Vorobjov (Nav) KIA, Menšin AG/WO KIA;Ilijenš hamlet, Volosovo / Leningrad Oblast;Own goal;Shot down by a fighter which had white stripes over black, all Finnish claims on that day were over Finnish territory, so the fighter must have been a Soviet one
Source: Vihavainen & Saharov (ed.): Tuntematon Talvisota s. 181

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Re: Friendly fire WWII

Juha - absolutely excellent. Many thanks, indeed. I would never have found any of these without your help. Great stuff.

Bruce - yes, I do have the Malta incidents noted. Thanks.

Mars - the series will be called, I believe, "BLUE ON BLUE: Aerial Friendly Fire WWII"

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I'll try another one: do you have the 7th July 1943 night time bombing of Boise City, Oklahoma, by a student bombadier? He thought the lit up city was a bombrange ...

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Hi Bruce

Now that really sounds interesting! Please e-mail me with what you have.

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Pretty good chance, and I can show you the original source for the Oklahoma atrocity.
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