Photo Captured French Aircraft ID ?

[musec04]

Hello,


Can anyone please assist with the ID of the French aircraft shown on ebay at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/3-altes-Foto...QAAOSwMyFd0~qj


I'm also a little surprised by either the code shown or my eyesight as I can't id the machine myself fromthe Golden Years civil registry. But it looks like either F-ARAR or perhaps F-ARQR.



Regards,


Clint

[Tom Willis]

Hi Clint - I am at a loss also - the correct reg is F-AROR

[Tom Willis]

Hi Clint - F-AROR - Peyret-Mauboussin PM XI - 7 built

[musec04]

Hello Tom,


Thanks for the response. Do you know whether any of these 7 machines were impressed in1939/40? Also Tom, definitely 7 produced?



Regards,


Clint

[Tom Willis]

Hi Clint
My mistake Only 2 of this type were built. But on reflection the image of F-AROR is different is subtle ways! The wings are clipped, cabin windows are different, there are strengthening lines along the slightly deeper fuselage - so now not 100% certain it is a Peyret-Mauboussin PM XI

[musec04]

Hi Tom,


Thanks for looking. This one is a bit of a challenge and no mistake!



Strange that there doesn't appear to be an online french civil registration database that covers it.



I've spent some time looking at images of interwar french aircraft and drawn a blank. If you do find anything in the future that matches the ebay photograph I'd be very grateful for a heads up.


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


I'm not sure if this is the same photo I posted in 2019, but here in any event is a photo of mystery plane F-AROR:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/294362879741...AAAOSwAZphKhHt


It does look like quite a Peyret design,but the PM XI does look different:


https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/model/P...auboussin%20XI


Regards,


Clint

[jschreiber]

Hello

May be the unique de Vizcaya PV-102 ? The plane was used, probably as liaison aircraft, at Villacoublay at the end of the 30's.

https://www.aviafrance.com/image.php?im=9975

Regards

Jean Schreiber

[musec04]

Hello Jean,


Thanks for the response and the link. However, I don't think that F-AROR is the Vizcaya PV-102 either. The photo of the machine i've linked to on ebay has three horizontal lines standing proud on the fuselage (I'm sure there is a name for this feature,but I can't recall it.) Neither the PM.XI nor the PV-102 has this feature. So I'm still hoping soneone has further ideas.


With a view to finding other obscure immediate prewar french aircraft to look at, does anyone know of a complete list of FW- serials,online would be good, as this looks like a promising starting point. The Golden Age site appears to only list a few such serials.


Regards,


Clint

[jschreiber]

Hello Clint

For the French aircraft registrations, you can try https://www.aviafrance.com/recherche.php

And, for the F-AROR, we will obtain a Morane 138... Bad luck.

But... since the data has been painfully compiled about 30 years ago, they are some holes, and, if the same registration was used by several planes, only one will appear. The "paper" version of the data (at least 5 pounds...) is at our local aviation library, I will make a check next week.

The original data was for years on line at the Civilian Aviation site, but, for some obscure legal reasons, all cancelled planes have now disapeared.

On the ebay photo, the Tricolors are visible on the rudder and near the wingtips. So we have more probably a French State owned airctraft belonging to a civilian structure rather than an impressed one. And the de Vizcaya belonged to the Corps Technique (technical staff of the Air Ministry), and looks similar. That was my reasoning

Regards

Jean