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Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
Hi,
Can somebody explain me (explain us) the difference or the reason why these two different machines wear the same Stkz. One TL+DR known photo in Jet & Prop 3/97, p.8, photo; Menke, SKZ list (??? I suppose not having the original source) A Regensburg machine One TL+DR machine from eBay auction, a WNF machine. http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Messersc...3D263044354858 ... What the hell did happen here? Thanks in advance. Regards, Franck. Last edited by ouidjat; 31st May 2019 at 07:05. |
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Re: Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
Hi
Are they really different planes ? I see a different painting, but both planes are Bf 109 G-6. TL + DR was WNr. 18378, built by Mtt-Regensburg in May 1943. best wishes JoMe |
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Re: Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
Damaged Bf109G-6, updated with new FuG (Peilrahmen), re-applied StKz during repair, worn-out and repaired (overpainted tactical markings) camouflage?
Regards RolandF |
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Re: Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
I am quite an illiterate when it comes to codes but could one be a Stammkennzeichen (STKZ) and other be Überführungskennzeichen (ÜKZ) (or what would probably translate into "Transfer code")?
STKZs were applied to a machine forever & if understood well ÜKZs were re-used and applied by construction companies / makers and didn't have anything with "call signs". Forgive me for my ignorance. just trying to put possibilities out. (I am just not sure if ÜKZs existed after 1939?) |
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Re: Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
Hi Milos,
TL+DR was no Überführungskennzeichen for two reasons: 1 A characteristic of the Überführungskennzeichen was that the last two letters on principle were composed of a consonant and a vowel (A, E, I, O, U). D and R are consonants. 2 The RLM hat introduced the Überführungskennzeichen with a decree from September 23, 1937. With the introduction of the Stammkennzeichen in October 1939 the Überführungskennzeichen were insignificant. Regards Leo |
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Re: Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
Hi Gents,
Thank you for your comments! Very helpful. Best regards, Franck. |
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Re: Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
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Thanks for your explanation. I was remembering something about the dates (and 1939 was somehow connected to it) but was not 100% sure. but the part under >point 1< was unknown to me (or I completely forgot about it since I read these things, so thank you!: |
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Re: Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
Hello Milos,
for great details I recommend the link "adl-luftfahrthistorik.de" > Frühere Artikel > Überführungskennzeichen 1937-1939 (Karl Kössler). There is a revised version of the original article in JET&PROP Januar/Februar 2002 Heft 6/01. Regards Leo |
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Re: Bf 109G-6 TL+DR
Dear Leo, Thanks so much for the pointer. Will check it up immediately!
Best,Milos |
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