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I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
On 15 January 1943 a flight of Ju88 A-4 bombers from I/KG77 that had taken off from Catania was bounced by P-40s from the 33rd FG near Telopte (Thélepte), Tunesia, and suffered heavy losses. Among these were:
1/KG77 losses: WNr 140462 (Oblt. Betke) WNr 140052 3Z+AH (Fw Erhardt) WNr 142333 3Z+MH (Uffz. Thiedke) WNr 140419 3Z+HN (Ofw. Winkler) WNr 141097 3Z+CH (Uffz. Wagner) 2/KG77 losses: WNr 141035 3Z+KK (Uffz. Jäckel) 3/KG77 losses: WNr 140453 3Z+JL (Uffz. Witter) Only Ofw. Kirsch of 3/KG77 returned in 3Z+FL, which suffered damage and wounded crew. I've been trying to find photos of these aircraft, but without any luck. Does anyone have photos of any of these aircraft, please?
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Re: I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
Good afternoon,
some small additions/corrections: > WNr 140462 (Oblt. Betke) aircraft code was: 3Z+FL > WNr 140419 3Z+HN (Ofw. Winkler) aircraft code was: 3Z+NH (not ..+HN) Plane and crew belonged to 1./KG 77. > WNr 141035 3Z+KK (Uffz. Jäckel) aircraft code was: 3Z+EK (not ..+KK) Name of pilot was: Uffz. Kurt Jecke (not ... Jäckel) > WNr 140453 3Z+JL (Uffz. Witter) aircraft code: 3Z+IL (in NVM: "India Lima" ... not "Juliett Lima") > Only Ofw. Kirsch of 3/KG77 returned in 3Z+FL, which suffered damage and wounded crew. aircraft '3Z+FL' was flown this day by Oblt. Betke crew (140462), see first entry. The injury of Ofw. Kirsch is - as far as i know - only documented in the secondary source book: Shores, Ring & Hess: Fighters Over Tunisia, s.154. Since there is not entry in the NVM for Ofw. Kirsch, his injury must have been very lightly. My source for all losses: NVM I.KG 77. Regards, Uwe K. |
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Re: I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
Sorry, i forgot this typo in my last post:
> WNr 140052 3Z+AH (Fw Erhardt) correct name of pilot: Fw. Andreas Berhardt + (* 1.2.1916, Wittlach/Bez. Trier) last rest: Bordj-Cedria (TUN), NAS-9-1 Regards, Uwe K. |
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Re: I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
Fantastic info and pictures, many thanks gentlemen!
What are your thoughts on the camouflage carried by 3Z+AH? I had expected there to be sand coloured patches on top. It's all green though, but it does seem to have patches of sorts?
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Re: I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
Nothing fantastic here. To me it looks might be wrong plane. By May 1942 (when A-4 140052 was assembled) rudder had changed in October 1942 from early (A-5/A-4 early 1941) to the inset-aerodynamic tab on top.
However, undersides seem have Wave Mirror pattern (and Grau, not Light Blue under) but Yellow under motor cowlings torn off. Last edited by edNorth; 31st May 2018 at 12:44. Reason: adding |
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Re: I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
Ed, I did note the early-style rudder and thought it was curious if this is supposed to be an A-4. Do you know of any book or website that has a clear listing of Ju 88 WerkeNr and how they relate to production models?
As for 3Z+AH, another machine with these markings went missing near Sicily on 16 Feb 1943 but this was also an A-4 and later-production too (WNr 141101). Since the photos show American soldiers (not in-theatre until the end of '42) and the scenery matches Thelepté I think this is indeed one of the Ju 88s of the 15 January battle, but perhaps the recorded WNr is incorrect? Or perhaps it's an early-production model, still having the old-style rudder? Just throwing some ideas out there
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Re: I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
I can throw out ideas too, but as I know no one will (or can) answer I do not.
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Re: I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
Hehehe fair enough
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Re: I./KG 77 Ju 88 losses Tunesia 15 January 1943
Hi all,
som einfo about this action is on this topic: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=20283 Faenor |
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