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russian losses vs 8./JG 52 may 1942 mig-3 claims
Hello,
i checked and found a lot of claims of 8./JG 52 but little info or nothing on russian side about losses or regiments on mig-1 claims these days: 8./JG 52 Uffz 13 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 647 _________ E 8./JG 52 Fw 13 5 42 MiG-1 Wachowiak Friedrich 908 _________ E 8./JG 52 Uffz 13 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 909 _________ E 8./JG 52 Uffz 13 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 912 _________ E 8./JG 52 Fw 13 5 42 MiG-1 Wachowiak Friedrich 912 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 I-16 Dickfeld Adolf 1015 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 5km ostlich Storganskij 5km E Storganskij 1031 1000 E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 1032 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 1033 _________ E 8./JG 52 Uffz 13 5 42 MiG-1 Schumacher Karl 1034 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 1315 _________ E 8./JG 52 Fw 13 5 42 MiG-1 Wachowiak Friedrich 1315 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 1318 _________ E 8./JG 52 Fw 13 5 42 MiG-1 Wachowiak Friedrich 1318 _________ E 8./JG 52 Uffz 13 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 647 _________ E 8./JG 52 Fw 13 5 42 MiG-1 Wachowiak Friedrich 908 _________ E 8./JG 52 Uffz 13 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 909 _________ E 8./JG 52 Uffz 13 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 912 _________ E 8./JG 52 Fw 13 5 42 MiG-1 Wachowiak Friedrich 912 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 I-16 Dickfeld Adolf 1015 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 5km ostlich Storganskij 5km E Storganskij 1031 1000 E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 1032 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 1033 _________ E 8./JG 52 Uffz 13 5 42 MiG-1 Schumacher Karl 1034 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 1315 _________ E 8./JG 52 Fw 13 5 42 MiG-1 Wachowiak Friedrich 1315 _________ E 8./JG 52 Lt 13 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf 1318 _________ E 8./JG 52 Fw 13 5 42 MiG-1 Wachowiak Friedrich 1318 _________ E 8./JG 52 Uffz 14 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 1816 8./JG 52 Uffz 14 5 42 MiG-1 Schumacher Karl 1818 8./JG 52 Uffz 14 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 1819 8./JG 52 Lt 14 5 42 MiG-1 Dickfeld Adolf _____ 8./JG 52 Uffz 17 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 702 8./JG 52 Fw 17 5 42 MiG-1 Steffen Karl 706 8./JG 52 Uffz 17 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 712 8./JG 52 Uffz 17 5 42 MiG-1 Schumacher Karl 714 8./JG 52 Fw 17 5 42 MiG-1 Steffen Karl 717 8./JG 52 Fw 26 5 42 MiG-1 Steffen Karl 15km nordlich Isjum 15km N Izum 934 8./JG 52 Uffz 26 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 5km nordostlich Isjum 5km NE Izum 936 8./JG 52 Uffz 26 5 42 MiG-1 Gratz Karl 5km ostlich Isjum 5km E Izum 940 8./JG 52 Uffz 26 5 42 MiG-1 Schumacher Karl 941 i suppose some are misindentification of lagg-3 or yak-1 info of claims by Johannes Mathews, can you help?, with only little info or regiments is enough... many thanks, regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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Re: russian losses vs 8./JG 52 may 1942 mig-3 claims
Hello!
Il-2 oneseaters? Just an idea. IIRC there was some Finnish AF "passively flying MiG" claims which in real life were Il-2s. The planes have astonishingly similar silhuettes seen some other angle than from sides. Cheers, Kari |
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Re: russian losses vs 8./JG 52 may 1942 mig-3 claims
hello,
thanks, it can't be discard, i check the claims and info in internet...maybe i found something... kind regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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Re: russian losses vs 8./JG 52 may 1942 mig-3 claims
hello,
About these claims of Dickfeld: 13,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt I-16 1015 _________ E N 76 13,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt MiG-1 5km östlich Storganskij 5km E Storganskij 1031 1000 E J 77 13,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt MiG-1 1032 _________ E N 78 13,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt MiG-1 1033 _________ E N 79 I-16s of 282 IAP and LaGG-3s of 164 IAP (overclaiming, actual losses were three aircraft in total) 14,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt MiG-1 10km östlich Salhow 10km E Salhow 936 14,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt MiG-1 941 14,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt MiG-1 945 6 IAP (VVS lost 14 planes; 5 Yak-1, 2 Il2-2; 4 LaGG-3 and some biplanes.) 14,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt MiG-1 1209 _________ E N 85 Although some sources say that he claimed MiG-1s in this engagement, he appears to have actually claimed IL-2s and both can be confirmed in Soviet loss records (a total of 3 lost for the day) 14,5.42 8./JG 52 Lt MiG-1 R-5 ("I-153 "Tchaika"")???? 1211 _________ E N 86 Although some sources say that he claimed MiG-1s in this engagement, he appears to have actually claimed IL-2s and both can be confirmed in Soviet loss records (a total of 3 lost for the day) yes, after read this, misindentification for sure, claims by Johannes Mathews, info of the losses by Nick Hector, 6 iap, 282 iap , 164 iap for sure this month about 131 iap, 790 iap, 427 iap, 515 iap, 572 iap?.... i really don't know.. regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland |
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