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Old 20th December 2008, 11:10
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FW 190 losses on 3 November 1944?

I'm looking for information on a probable loss of a German FW 190 over the Kachanie-Skopje are in Macedonia on the 3 November 1944. On that day Bulgarian Ju-87Ds from 1/2nd Assault orlyak bombed German troops around Skopje when at 14:45 they were bounced by 7 FW 190s. One "Stuka" was shot down (pilot Stoyu Stoyanov and gunner Georgi Georgiev), and according to the other pilots one of the 190's, which reatreated in the "opposite direction", loosing height and leaving a smoke trail. Which was the German unit that took part in the combat and did it loose any planes?

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Re: FW 190 losses on 3 November 1944?

I doubt than any Fw190 was flying in the area, just possible Bf109 from JG27..

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Old 31st December 2008, 22:12
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Re: FW 190 losses on 3 November 1944?

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Maybe the attacker was a Radial Engined Italian Fighter flown by the Croatians? An Mc200 perhaps?

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Re: FW 190 losses on 3 November 1944?

I can't give precise dates but 13./SG 151 and II./SG 10 were operating Fw 190s over the general area in the second half of 1944.
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Re: FW 190 losses on 3 November 1944?

You are right NickB, I forgot those ones, could be kroatians but I don't read that they shown, at that time great aggresivity,but...

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Re: FW 190 losses on 3 November 1944?

Nice to be back in London for a few weeks, even if only for holidays and in spite of the credit crunch.
Anyway, ULTRA gives reasonably solid coverage of sit-reports over Yugoslavia for October/November 1944, including mention of detachment of II/SG 10, operating from Skoplje and Pristina for a short period between 1 and 7 Nov 44.
The detachment experienced obviously complete unpreparedness for friendly g/a in area from retreating German troops, so one Fw 190 was s/d by own troops while transferring to Skoplje a/f and two were damaged on 1 Nov 44; the following day another was s/d by own troops while attacking enemy positions around Kumanovo and another one damaged. So, with evening of 2 Nov 1944, they were left with only 2 serviceable aircraft out of 3. On 5/11/1944 they will lose another Fw 190 in Sandzak area of SE Serbia, the detachment will put some effort for the next two days, with 6 sorties on 6 Nov 44 with another a/c being made u/s through damage from own AAA, actions were around Podujevo; and on 7 Nov 44 there were five sorties and the last mention of elements of II/SG 10 was on 8/9 Nov 1944 when a few aircraft serviceable for ferrying to Pristina were reported.
I didn't find any ULTRA reference to FW 190s of NSGr.10 operating in Macedonia, only Hs 126s hastily brought from NASt. Kroatien and remnants of LLG 1.

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