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Old 17th September 2015, 17:42
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Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
Hi guys

I note that NA+DJ of 1./Erg.Gr.4 was lost on 26 July 1940, and that another from this unit was lost next day. I assume these were accidents?

Any information, please?

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Old 18th September 2015, 01:29
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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
W.Nr. 3004, no further info here.
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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
Hello Brian,

First one , is

"Bei Bombenwurf zu spät abgefangen" so dont recover soon enought from ,probably, dive-bombing

Second one , most probably, is
ND+XC
"Maschine war aus Sturzflug nicht mehr aufzurichten" a bit the same, but this time we are sure about the dive, plane dont go thru from the dive .



All crew died, hv you detail of them ??

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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
Not a combat loss
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Old 18th September 2015, 13:10
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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
Hi guys

Thanks for that.

Crew details (via Matti) are:

Ltn Werner Urhatsch (pilot) NA+DJ
Obgfr Willy Brauker
Obgfr Karl-Heinz Klahr
Flg Herbert Degen

Ltn Robert Gessner (pilot) ND+XC
Fw Kurt Hirscher

Only two crew mentioned; other two(?) may have survived unhurt.

Obviously Erg.Gr.4 was an experimental unit (dive-bombing?) I wonder why the two aircraft crashed? Perhaps coincidental accidents.

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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
"NA+DJ" four crew killed, machine destroyed.

"ND+XC" is false, I think, should read as follows. "ND+CS" four crew killed, machine destroyed.

DVL accident files has this as "N.D.X.C.S.Ju 88", typed across two fields, whereby the X denotes the cross - namely ND+CS "Mas_ine war aus Sturzflug" (DVL)

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Old 18th September 2015, 13:40
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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
Erg.KGr 4 (Ju 88) was training / conversion unit -ed
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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
Hi Ed

Many thanks.

However, you show Richter's aircraft crashing 21 July, whereas we were discussing Gessner's crash of 27 July. Confused!

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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
But he made the useful find !! NDxCS

Cause of accidents

First one , is

"Bei Bombenwurf zu spät abgefangen" so dont recover soon enought from ,probably, dive-bombing

Second one , most probably, is
ND+CS
"Maschine war aus Sturzflug nicht mehr aufzurichten" a bit the same, but this time we are sure about the dive, plane dont go thru from the dive .
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Re: Ju88 NA+DJ lost 26 July 1940
Had internet problem (at critical moment for replying)! So will check everything again.
Removed part of comment abowe, possibly other (three) a/c of Erg.KGr. 4 involved.
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