Photo Hall PH-2

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Hall PH-2 at:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1938-1944-C...gAAOSwLaVf34Cc


I'm admittedly less than certain whether this particular machime operated in the Pacific rather than elsewhere.


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Clint

To me this is a rather odd photo
By 1941 the US Navy PH-1 were long gone from VP-8 and I cannot see any of them in service anywhere.

By 1941 also the USCG's PH-2 were faced out and frankly I have never seen any of them having this star in a roundel national marking.

I actually belive it is a USCG PH-3 without any visible self defending armament.

Without any visible serial number it is difficult to say if this particular aircraft was operated on the US West Coast or not. The type (PH-3) certainly was. Both San Diego and San Francisco had one + two in Feb 1943 for example.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello Stig,


While I certainly am not able to rule out the aircraft as a PH-3, are you certain that all PH-2 were withdrawn by 1941. Looking at http://niehorster.org/013_usa/_41_uscg/_uscg.html PH-2 appear to still have been in service, albeit I see from their locations that the photo is statistically far more likely to show an Atlantic, rather than a Pacific based machine.Also see
https://bluejacket.com/ww2_12-07-41_uscg_aircraft.htm I think given the author we can take it as given that the PH-2 remained in service.

Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Clint

No I was wrong. I was quoting an old source. Checking Pearcy he lists aircraft in service on 28 Feb 1943 and four PH-2 (plus six PH-3) were in service, even if none was operated on the West Coast.

However the site you show is also a bit odd, since it lists 9 PH-2 and 5 PH-3 at various stations, despite the fact that seven each were built.

The total number of 14 in service on the date (7 Dec 1941) is even more strange since one aircraft (V164) had a fatal crash in 1939 and is reported to have sunk during its rescue attempt. Also V182 (a PH-3) is reported as having crashed in November 1941.
To me that leaves a maximum of 12 aircraft as possible in service in Dec 1941 while the site states 14.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hi Stig,


Yes, the first site is dubious.Also V-165 crashed November 1939. So the five surviving machines of each type as listed in the second link is in fact accurate. So 10 in total



Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

I never looked at the second site....

When doing so, yes, it is much more accurate, but not totally correct.

Summary of types: PH-3 = 5 but he has forgotten to include V183 in that summary, and it is correctly listed under Elizabeth City in the specific list

So it seems five PH-2 and six PH-3 were in service on Dec 7th 1941.

From where comes the details about the crash of V165?

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hi Stig,


The info on the V-165 is from here:


https://www.history.uscg.mil/Researc...nits/Aviation/


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Cheers Clint
Stig