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Old 9th January 2023, 22:35
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Re: Forgotten Heroes - Aces of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WWII (second revised, expanded edition)

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Where were the hardback and the paperback printed in?
Best to contact Helion for that kind of information, don’t you think?
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Old 10th January 2023, 02:04
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Re: Forgotten Heroes - Aces of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WWII (second revised, expanded edition)

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Best to contact Helion for that kind of information, don’t you think?
No, it is not. Getting response from Helion is harder than pulling off an elephant's tooth. While anyone with the book can quickly check the pertinent info from the book.
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No, it is not. Getting response from Helion is harder than pulling off an elephant's tooth. While anyone with the book can quickly check the pertinent info from the book.
Send someone the Ł40 to buy the book and I’m sure they’d be happy to tell you who printed it!
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Send someone the Ł40 to buy the book and I’m sure they’d be happy to tell you who printed it!
So you seriously believe that none of the readers of this thread have the book?
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Re: Forgotten Heroes - Aces of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WWII (second revised, expanded edition)

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Send someone the Ł40 to buy the book and I’m sure they’d be happy to tell you who printed it!
At least with the hard copy I can do that free of charge....

The typeset was done by Mach 3 Solutions Ltd, England
Actual printing was done in Malta by Gutenberg Press at Tarxien.

If you are after what kind of paper that was used or judging the quality of said paper, I am not qualified
to do so, except that it certainly is very good and fulfil at least my standards for an excellent
quality. Some photos are too small for my liking, but perhaps that is a minor point for you.
The binding is top quality as well.

With regard to the paperback, I will not buy it and thus cannot comment on it...

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Old 11th January 2023, 02:01
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Re: Forgotten Heroes - Aces of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WWII (second revised, expanded edition)

Thanks Stig! That's exactly what I needed. It is perhaps pertinent to note that at least Lev Lopukhosvky's Vyazma Catastrophe exists in at least two hardback editions of which only is properly printed and bound in Malta while the other is a poor-quality digital print.
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Re: Forgotten Heroes - Aces of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WWII (second revised, expanded edition)

Good morning Gentlemen,

is the total score of aerial kills of the Hungarian Air Force in WW2 known ?

I wish you a good weekend,

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Old 14th January 2023, 11:26
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Re: Forgotten Heroes - Aces of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WWII (second revised, expanded edition)

In the annexes of vol. 2 of Hungarian Fighter Colours (MMP Books, 2014), pages 357-392, we included all known air victory claims reported by Hungarian fighter and fighter-bomber pilots (with a caveat on page 356). However, we didn't count them, so the total is unknown to me. Additionally, victory claims reported by other Hungarian airmen (incl. those scored by firing from the ground) should be added as well. I am afraid, no accurate final score can be tallied, unfortunately.
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Re: Forgotten Heroes - Aces of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WWII (second revised, expanded edition)

Good afternoon Dénes,

thanks for the hint.
I think the Hugarians claimed about 500 kills in WW2.

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Re: Forgotten Heroes - Aces of the Royal Hungarian Air Force in WWII (second revised, expanded edition)

Hi Knusel, I found a good statistics regarding Hungarian air victory claims in a book by Punka, Sárhidai and Zsák, from 2017.
The overall total is actually way more than 500, as follows:
Fighter and fighter bomber claims: 578 (+44)
Long-range recce crews: 33 (+1)
Short-range recce crews: 15
"Fast bomber" crews: 13
Bombers: 14
Dive bombers: 6
Shot down from ground by air force personnel: 6
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Total: 665 (+45) = 710 victory *claims*
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