Loss of Gefr. Ludwig Kienle - 07.06.1944

[rickback4444]

Hi,

Can anyone provide details of the loss of a Gef. Ludwig Kienle who was lost on a mission on the 7th June 1944?

Thanks

Rick

[Matti Salonen]

1944-06-07, 3./TG 4, Ju 52/3mg14e, 640750 , G6+OL , 8 km östlich Dreux, 73 km westsüdwestlich Paris, Absturz nach Luftkampf mit Jäger. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Fw Werner, Erich, verletzt
Bordfunker Gefr Di Lenardo, Ernst, verletzt
Bordwart Stfw Hutz, Johann, verletzt
Bordschütze Uffz Vetter, Helmut, +
Fluggast Gefr Becker, Ewald, +
Fluggast Uffz Beuermann, Theodor, +
Fluggast Uffz Dolata, Franz, +
Fluggast Uffz Ehm, Paul, +
Fluggast Fw Haspel, Ferdinand, +
Fluggast Gefr Kienle, Ludwig, +
Fluggast Fw Koller, Josef, +
Fluggast Ogfr Köhmstedt, Hans, +
Fluggast Ogfr Reischl, Johann, +
Fluggast Ogfr Rolf, Friedrich, +
Fluggast Ogfr Ruppert, Josef, +
Fluggast Uffz Schaack, Gerhard, +
Fluggast Uffz Schroers, Ernst, +
Fluggast Ofw Wiemer, Bruno, +
Fluggast Uffz Witzmann, Walter, +
Fluggäste von 7./ZG 1.


Matti

[Bruce Lander]

Hi,

only 2 Ju.52's claimed on 7th June, one by Lt.Col. Glenn Duncan of the 353rd Fighter Group shot down near Ribecourt, which is quite a distance from Dreux and 1 by F/Lt.W.Buroughs and F/O. R.A.Bromley of 414 Sqd. RCAF near Mortagne at 06.00,

The 414 sq. claim would seem likely ! any comments ?

Bruce Lander

[Ota Jirovec]

Hello Bruce,

As far as I know, there were more Ju 52 claims in the night of 6/7 June 1944, at least four by No. 418 (RCAF) Squadron Mosquitoes as follows: 1 by F/Lt D.A. MacFadyen, DFC and F/O J.D. Wright: N of Coulommiers A/F at 2345 hours and no fewer than 3 (!) by F/Lt S.H. Cotterill and Sgt E.H. McKenna at Chateaudun A/F and Orleans A/F (at 0012, 0015 and 0032 hours respectively). None of them matches perfectly location-wise, but possibly some of claims at Chateaudun and Orleans could be this particular 3./TG 4 aircraft. Besides that Cotterill and McKenna also claimed a Ju 188 destroyed over Orleans during this sortie.

Hope this might help a little,

Ota

[Bruce Lander]

Hi Ota,

I think that there were also several aircraft claimed by 29 Sqd Mosquitoes over Dreux airfield on the night of 7th/8th June also, i of which was a Ju.52.
The key would seem to be do we have a time for the loss of this particular Ju.52 ?

The 418 claims you mention are quite a good distance from Dreux so I would tend to discount them as likely

John Foreman gives first hand accounts of all these night actions in "1944 - Over The Beaches" and "Fighter Command War Diaries Vol 4"

Cheers

Bruce Lander

[rickback4444]

Who were in the crew of the Ju188 shot down over Orleans mentioned in the text above?

Thanks

Rick