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Old 15th March 2007, 10:52
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Urban Legend or fact? - Bf 109 with Schräge Musik

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Walking through Karl Ries "Dora ¨Kurfürst und Rote 13" Vol. 1, I came across next caption (p.103 - mid picture) (free translation): All the 30 victories of Major Friedrich Müller were made by night while he was part of the "Wilde Sauen" (JG 300 and NJG 11). This picture shows his rudder tally on a Bf 109 G-14 (?)* at the end of the war. Major Müller ordered a MG 151 to be built after the cockpit of his 109 G-14 as "slant weapon" (Schräge bewaffnung)!*

My question is if there were Bf 109 with this "Schräge bewaffnung" and if yes if there exist pictures of it?

(* question mark and bold text are my additions)
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Old 15th March 2007, 17:11
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Re: Urban Legend or fact? - Bf 109 with Schräge Musik

I do believe that there is no photo of his bird, although several profiles were painted ( Osprey, Atlas Editions - France ) of his G-14 with the single Schrage Musik.
It seems to be correct the information...
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Old 15th March 2007, 17:45
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Re: Urban Legend or fact? - Bf 109 with Schräge Musik

I thought this had been pretty much consigned to the world of fiction

Thread frrom LEMB here http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...?showtopic=222

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Old 15th March 2007, 19:05
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Re: Urban Legend or fact? - Bf 109 with Schräge Musik

Thanks, Chris. It seems thus to be a legend. What I tought...
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Old 15th March 2007, 21:52
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Re: Urban Legend or fact? - Bf 109 with Schräge Musik

It certainly would be possible, and at one time Tarniwitz had plans for installing them in both the 109 and the 190 -- but 108s not 151/20s -- so who knows. An article was written on such a mod in the German IPMS magazine by Bernd Barbas, who has also written a 2-volume set on Aces of the Luftwaffe, as well as books on I./JG 52 and II./JG 52. So, I am inclined to believe him on the mounting of a cut-down MG 151/20 in the area behind the MW50 tank, and poking up through the fairing for the FuG16ZX homing loop and firing upwards at 75 degrees. For sighting, a sighting cross was painted in yellow-green flourescent paint on the inside of the top of the canopy, and the gun was harmonized to ca. 40 mtr. Opinion is strongly divided on whether or not this installation existed. I am sufficiently impressed by the work of Bernd Barbas to believe that if he says it existed, it existed.

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