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Old 2nd May 2005, 14:48
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3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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At what Russian air army the 3 Pulku LSz (using de Il-2 Shturmovik) served, in 1945?

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Old 2nd May 2005, 17:33
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Hi!

At what Russian air army the 3 Pulku LSz (using de Il-2 Shturmovik) served, in 1945?

Cheers,

Franklin
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Hi, Franklin !
3 PLSz served in 2 Dywizja Lotnictwa Szturmowego 1 Mieszanego Korpusu Lotniczego Wojska Polskiego [its means : 2 Attack Airdivision of 1 Mixed Aircorps of Polish Army ](2 DLSz : 1945, March airports Ujazd and Lublinek near Lodz. Operated from April, 24, 1945 for I and II Whiterussian (Belorusski) Front of Soviet Army in Berlin Operation. Before this, in period February, March 1945 operated for units I Polish Army (Pommernstellung, Pila<>Schneidemuehle; Kolobrzeg<>Kolberg) included in 4 Mieszana Dywizje Lotnicza (4 Mixed Airdivision of 1 Polish Army [ 3 infantry division about 7,5-8 thosend soldiers + 1 airdivision= 1 Polish Army on the East.
After : 1 Polish Army(without airdivision) + 2 Polish Army(without airdivision) + 1 Mixed Aircorps -polish).

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Old 2nd May 2005, 19:34
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

Hi, Marek!

Thank's for the information!

Then the 1 Mixed Aircorps of Polish Army was not subordinated a Soviet Air Army?

In March 45 he was subordinated to the 1 Polish Army and later directly to the I and II Belorusski Front?

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Old 3rd May 2005, 14:36
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

Actually 4 MDL (previously 1 PDL) was subordinated to 16 Vozdushnaya Armya. 3 PLSz was previously 611 ShAP and consisted of Soviet personnel, mostly Russians. Only in the last days of the war some Poles finaly arrived to the unit. It was the worst unit in the division, suffering serious disciplinary problems.
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Old 3rd May 2005, 15:48
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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It was the worst unit in the division, suffering serious disciplinary problems.
Interesting! Couldn't you please give us some examples of what you mean, when it took place, and - above all - please the sources to that?
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Old 3rd May 2005, 18:14
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3 PLSz was previously 611 ShAP and consisted of Soviet personnel, mostly Russians. Only in the last days of the war some Poles finaly arrived to the unit.
Hi, Franek,

Same using the Polish flag the Il-2 was piloted by soviet's?
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Old 3rd May 2005, 18:19
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This profile is correct?
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Old 3rd May 2005, 19:17
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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Same using the Polish flag the Il-2 was piloted by soviet's?
I am not sure, there is very little photographic wartime record of the so called Polish aviation, but I believe all the aircraft had Polish checkerboards. Certainly all the Soviet personnel received Polish uniforms much to their dissapointment.
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No. Solid coloured Il-2s appeared in Poland only post-war. All the wartime aircraft had standard Soviet camouflage of the period. Some of them, those which survived long enough, were repainted post-war.
The profile seems not to be based on any photo and I would not use it as a refference.
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

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Interesting! Couldn't you please give us some examples of what you mean, when it took place, and - above all - please the sources to that?
I have written about that to you so many times, that I am not willing to do that again. Sorry.
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Old 3rd May 2005, 23:28
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Re: 3 Pułk Lotnictwa Szturmowego, 1945

Hi, Franek,

Thank's a lot for the information!

This model used the colors of the Il-2 of 3 PLSz?

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