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Old 8th January 2018, 05:25
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376 BG/513BS a/c on Mission 171 ?

Hello,
Am seeking details on the number of a/c that the 513BS used on Mission 171 (October 1st, 1943 ).
Serial numbers of the a/c would also be useful.

Reason for request is that I have an a/c from this Squadron only given as Number "43".

This could be the last two of a serial number or the a/c in Squadron number ?
The pilot is given as Zimmerman.

That is where it gets vague.
A/c "43" in Squadron according to the 376BG website are -
42-41031 "Daisy Mae".
42-51151.
42-72811

There was also serial number 42-72843.

Which of the above would have been on Squadron strength in October of 1943 ?
And took part in Mission 171 ?

There is further mist.
Zimerman' details given in "Findagrave" has a date for MACR( number not given) as August 1st 1943, and gives an a/c serial number, 41-11591 a/c letter "G", named "Queen Bee".
This is an a/c used by the Squadron around this time both by Zimmerman and another pilot named Taylor. But its a/c in Squadron number was "45".

I wonder if somehow there was a mix up over the MACR witnesses reporting a/c"43" and that it was "45" . And that "Findagrave" details of 1st August 1943 should be 1st October1943.

If the a/c I seek was indeed "Daisy Mae" then it ended its days in the UK in 1944.

As for 1st August 1943 Two 376 a/c are listed with MACR's, 150 & 154, a/c serials 42-40563 & 41-24294( Fold3 has report/serial number 41-28294).Both have nothing to do with Zimmerman though.

Any help is aprecated
Thanks
Alex
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Old 8th January 2018, 06:21
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Re: 376 BG/513BS a/c on Mission 171 ?

According to the book by Edward F Clendenin, Jr, 376th Bomb Group Mission History, Third Edition (Lulu, 2010), on the Oct 1, 1943 mission to Wiener Neustadt, aircraft 43 was 42-41031 Daisy Mae, and was flown by W R Zimmerman.

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Re: 376 BG/513BS a/c on Mission 171 ?

Frank

From the book you mentioned , I am kind of surprized and unlike I thought in the
the past,post event dated Aug 1, 43 , Compton removed Iovine from the flight line . Maybe
it was just a rumour or the book got an error .

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Re: 376 BG/513BS a/c on Mission 171 ?

Alex,
I have a copy of Iovine's sortie report RAF Form 441A from Maxwell, as part of a very large PDF file. It shows him flying a B-24D #23 letter A on October 1, 1943. I don't know anything about any problem with Compton, which may relate more to the Strategic volumes of A History of the Mediterranean Air War (volumes 6 and 7, presumably).

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Re: 376 BG/513BS a/c on Mission 171 ?

Frank

I certainly believe that , though back during his life time I was in touch with Keith
his son Carl and his daughter T.Ann .....Keith claimed that Iovine was reprimanded for
his actions as into leaving the formation and conducting on its own a SAR mission
for Flavelle ....later on also against Palm for turning left to Ploesti and conducting
its own bombing mission . Throughout the time people tend to change history so
who knows .

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Old 8th January 2018, 18:11
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Re: 376 BG/513BS a/c on Mission 171 ?

Hello,
Frank and AlexK,
Thank you both for the excellent responses.
My thoughts were that it must have been "Daisy Mae" but as said the detail in "Findagrave" threw me.

Only ten "a/c not lost" serial numbers now to find.

Many thanks to you both
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