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Old 19th November 2018, 01:48
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Gentlemen,

I was very careful in my wording of Post #3. First I had to determine the month that Christian was referring to - easily enough done - because he quoted his source (The Blitz Then and Now Vol.3, p.44). Having determined that the month was June. I then consulted John Foreman's, The Turning Point Part 2, pp.308-11. Foreman describes the loss of a I./KG28 Heinkel, but in his opinion the larger part of the destruction of the Heinkel should be ascribed to No.151 Squadron's, P/O Richard Payne Stevens. Be that as it may, I then checked the 85 Sqn ORB for June, 1941 (F.541), to check the letter of Raphael's Havoc (Christian's original question), it is quoted as VY-E. The 85 Sqn ORB also mentions a probable He111 claim by Raphael, on the same night.

I also checked TTP2/215 (13/14 May, 1941), there are no claims made by Raphael, nor any comparable He111 losses. Also consulted the Luftwaffe Crash Archive, Vol.8 (p.965) - no He111 losses there either.

Took a look at Foreman's Fighter Command War Diaries, Vol.2 (p.198 & 213), and his RAF Fighter Command Victory Claims, Part Two (pp.46 & 52-3) - confirms above remarks.

What we make of Aces High 1/2, I have no idea!

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Old 19th November 2018, 11:48
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Hi guys

An aside: Wg Cdr Raphael erroneously shot down a Havoc (AH514) of his own Squadron on the night of 2/3 June 1941.

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Thanks Brian

Interesting update

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Old 19th November 2018, 11:52
Stig Jarlevik Stig Jarlevik is offline
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Gentlemen,

I was very careful in my wording of Post #3. First I had to determine the month that Christian was referring to - easily enough done - because he quoted his source (The Blitz Then and Now Vol.3, p.44). Having determined that the month was June. I then consulted John Foreman's, The Turning Point Part 2, pp.308-11. Foreman describes the loss of a I./KG28 Heinkel, but in his opinion the larger part of the destruction of the Heinkel should be ascribed to No.151 Squadron's, P/O Richard Payne Stevens. Be that as it may, I then checked the 85 Sqn ORB for June, 1941 (F.541), to check the letter of Raphael's Havoc (Christian's original question), it is quoted as VY-E. The 85 Sqn ORB also mentions a probable He111 claim by Raphael, on the same night.

I also checked TTP2/215 (13/14 May, 1941), there are no claims made by Raphael, nor any comparable He111 losses. Also consulted the Luftwaffe Crash Archive, Vol.8 (p.965) - no He111 losses there either.

Took a look at Foreman's Fighter Command War Diaries, Vol.2 (p.198 & 213), and his RAF Fighter Command Victory Claims, Part Two (pp.46 & 52-3) - confirms above remarks.

What we make of Aces High 1/2, I have no idea!

Col.
Thanks Col

It looks like a printing error then in Aces High. Instead of 13/14 May we should read 13/14 June.

Thanks for checking

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