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Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
Hello,
I´m looking for information about the fate of individual machine this version of P-47 Thunderbolt. Some information are on this links: http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/ http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/usafserials.html ...but not all. This version was made in ammount pieces and served only in 56th FG in England and therefore I think it is possible determine the fate of each maschine. Does any info about scrapped machines between January and May 1945, or after end of WWII and inactivating of unit. Any info is welcome, as any discussion. Thanks Faenor |
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
Hi here a (not complete) list of 56th FG P-47's
sorted by crash date with crashplace (below sorted by serial) 430425 41-6227 Horsehill Tor at the head of Edale 430729 42-7887 Den Hague 430730 41-6265 Werkendam 430730 41-6209 Oude-Tonge, North Sea 430816 42-7865 Gournay-en-Bray 430817 42-7891 Warsage 430817 41-6398 Vreren 430817 41-6372 Wolder/Maastricht 430819 41-6216 3220 Hellevoetsluis 430902 42-7934 430902 41-6537 vers Hazebrouck (59) 430903 41-6232 Meaux 430927 41-6199 431008 41-6268 431107 42-7975 431111 42-74722 Coesfeld ?Greven 431111 42-74626 North Sea 431117 42-8614 North Sea 15 mil E Happisburgh 431126 42-7979 Huizen 431129 42-7893 North Sea 431130 42-75216 Mariekerke 431201 42-74631 Etikhove (Ardennen) 431201 42-8607 4280 Merdorp (1 km SE ) near Ambresin 431201 41-6211 9520 Bavegem 431205 41-6242 431211 42-7967 Spiekeroog 431211 42-8606 Spiekeroog 431220 42-22527 North Sea 431231 41-6357 Les Minquiers 431231 41-6401 3 mi NE of Henley-on-Thames 440121 42-75658 St. Saens 440129 42-22748 440203 42-8463 440205 42-75063 Forges 440224 42-75037 Quakenbrück 440302 42-8676 440304 42-7942 North Sea 20 mil N Den Haag 440306 42-75397 10 mil N Dümmersee, Haselünne 440308 42-75697 31535 Metel 440308 42-75040 Diepholz 440308 42-74623 Föckinghausen 440308 42-7885 32351 Stemwede 440308 42-74697 440315 42-22456 440322 42-75446 Egmond aan den Hoef-Binnen 440322 42-8461 North Sea 440322 42-75126 North Sea 440322 42-8579 North Sea 440327 42-75213 Gallardon 440327 42-8487 Allonnes 440327 42-75234 Channel 440327 42-76249 Cheux 440401 42-75839 Neuville-Saint-Vaast 440415 42-8691 S Eggebeck 440415 43-25577 Buschau 440415 42-75388 Elmshorn 440422 42-75546 Hadleigh 440508 42-76503 Vesbeck 440512 42-74750 440512 42-75109 440512 42-75162 440513 42-75444 24623 Grossenaspe-Brokenlande 440522 42-76509 27386 Westerwalsede "Schwarzes Moor" 440522 42-74752 27386 Süderwalsede 440606 42-25963 Bernay 440607 43-25286 Liancourt-St-Pierre 440607 42-26274 Saint-Quentin-des-Prés 440607 42-76254 Orbec 440607 42-76118 440607 42-26342 Beauvais 440610 43-25523 Chambois 440613 42-76145 72240 Ruille-en-Champagne/Epineu-le-Chevreuil 440621 42-26305 33184 Altenbeken 440704 42-75859 440705 42-75578 St-Martin-aux-Arbres 440706 42-25721 440713 42-25713 440713 42-25713 440715 42-76578 440715 42-76578 440719 42-26524 NE Nancy 440803 42-25969 440807 42-75206 440807 42-25836 440812 42-75704 59550 Landrecies 440815 42-75870 Sint-Truiden 440827 42-75093 Heestert 440905 42-75237 440905 42-26468 65629 Niederneisen 440905 42-26258 Waldalgesheim 440909 42-8575 Etten-Leur 440909 42-28543 Etten, ?North Sea 440910 42-25522 54459 Wiltingen 440910 42-27382 Seligenstadt/Niederrodenbach 440917 44-19786 Zoelen 440918 42-26337 Eindhoven 440918 42-26636 ?42-25905 Effern 440918 42-25531 440918 42-26057 Southminster 440918 44-19768 440918 44-19730 Türnich 440918 44-19714 Schijndel 440918 44-19768 440921 43-25515 Lochem 440921 42-26316 441011 42-27322 441011 42-27322 Osburg 441024 44-19929 Achlum 441024 42-26646 Marken 441105 42-76471 Neuhütten 441105 42-26530 Orfordness 441108 44-19909 441110 44-19887 29525 Uelzen 441118 42-26831 Albstadt 441118 42-28623 ?Linsengericht-Lützelhausen ?Heerlen 441120 42-75670 441127 42-25957 48527 Nordhorn 441130 42-28806 Irmtraut 441202 42-28683 441202 44-19739 Dorf-Güll 441202 42-28741 Dorf-Güll 441218 42-28688 Neu-Schierholz 441223 44-19767 Buschhoven 441223 44-19911 Queckenberg 441223 44-20615 441231 44-19930 Mesum 441231 44-19792 Burgsteinfurt 450114 44-19964 N of Burg, E of River Elbe 450203 44-19777 Berlin 450302 42-27898 ditch 10 mi S of Bancacbancaon 450413 44-21134 Eggebeck 450416 44-21230 Mühldorf am Inn 450423 44-76024 -------------------------------------------------------------------- And here sorted by serial 430927 41-6199 430730 41-6209 Oude-Tonge, North Sea 431201 41-6211 9520 Bavegem 430819 41-6216 3220 Hellevoetsluis 430425 41-6227 Horsehill Tor at the head of Edale 430903 41-6232 Meaux 431205 41-6242 430730 41-6265 Werkendam 431008 41-6268 431231 41-6357 Les Minquiers 430817 41-6372 Wolder/Maastricht 430817 41-6398 Vreren 431231 41-6401 3 mi NE of Henley-on-Thames 430902 41-6537 vers Hazebrouck (59) 430816 42-7865 Gournay-en-Bray 440308 42-7885 32351 Stemwede 430729 42-7887 Den Hague 430817 42-7891 Warsage 431129 42-7893 North Sea 430902 42-7934 440304 42-7942 North Sea 20 mil N Den Haag 431211 42-7967 Spiekeroog 431107 42-7975 431126 42-7979 Huizen 440322 42-8461 North Sea 440203 42-8463 440327 42-8487 Allonnes 440909 42-8575 Etten-Leur 440322 42-8579 North Sea 431211 42-8606 Spiekeroog 431201 42-8607 4280 Merdorp (1 km SE ) near Ambresin 431117 42-8614 North Sea 15 mil E Happisburgh 440302 42-8676 440415 42-8691 S Eggebeck 440315 42-22456 431220 42-22527 North Sea 440129 42-22748 440910 42-25522 54459 Wiltingen 440918 42-25531 440713 42-25713 440706 42-25721 440807 42-25836 441127 42-25957 48527 Nordhorn 440606 42-25963 Bernay 440803 42-25969 440918 42-26057 Southminster 440905 42-26258 Waldalgesheim 440607 42-26274 Saint-Quentin-des-Prés 440621 42-26305 33184 Altenbeken 440921 42-26316 440918 42-26337 Eindhoven 440607 42-26342 Beauvais 440905 42-26468 65629 Niederneisen 440719 42-26524 NE Nancy 441105 42-26530 Orfordness 440918 42-26636 ?42-25905 Effern 441024 42-26646 Marken 441118 42-26831 Albstadt 441011 42-27322 Osburg 440910 42-27382 Seligenstadt/Niederrodenbach 450302 42-27898 ditch 10 mi S of Bancacbancaon 440909 42-28543 Etten, ?North Sea 441118 42-28623 ?Linsengericht-Lützelhausen ?Heerlen 441202 42-28683 441218 42-28688 Neu-Schierholz 441202 42-28741 Dorf-Güll 441130 42-28806 Irmtraut 440308 42-74623 Föckinghausen 431111 42-74626 North Sea 431201 42-74631 Etikhove (Ardennen) 440308 42-74697 431111 42-74722 Coesfeld ?Greven 440512 42-74750 440522 42-74752 27386 Süderwalsede 440224 42-75037 Quakenbrück 440308 42-75040 Diepholz 440205 42-75063 Forges 440827 42-75093 Heestert 440512 42-75109 440322 42-75126 North Sea 440512 42-75162 440807 42-75206 440327 42-75213 Gallardon 431130 42-75216 Mariekerke 440327 42-75234 Channel 440905 42-75237 440415 42-75388 Elmshorn 440306 42-75397 10 mil N Dümmersee, Haselünne 440513 42-75444 24623 Grossenaspe-Brokenlande 440322 42-75446 Egmond aan den Hoef-Binnen 440422 42-75546 Hadleigh 440705 42-75578 St-Martin-aux-Arbres 440121 42-75658 St. Saens 441120 42-75670 440308 42-75697 31535 Metel 440812 42-75704 59550 Landrecies 440401 42-75839 Neuville-Saint-Vaast 440704 42-75859 440815 42-75870 Sint-Truiden 440607 42-76118 440613 42-76145 72240 Ruille-en-Champagne/Epineu-le-Chevreuil 440327 42-76249 Cheux 440607 42-76254 Orbec 441105 42-76471 Neuhütten 440508 42-76503 Vesbeck 440522 42-76509 27386 Westerwalsede "Schwarzes Moor" 440715 42-76578 440607 43-25286 Liancourt-St-Pierre 440921 43-25515 Lochem 440610 43-25523 Chambois 440415 43-25577 Buschau 440918 44-19714 Schijndel 440918 44-19730 Türnich 441202 44-19739 Dorf-Güll 441223 44-19767 Buschhoven 440918 44-19768 450203 44-19777 Berlin 440917 44-19786 Zoelen 441231 44-19792 Burgsteinfurt 441110 44-19887 29525 Uelzen 441108 44-19909 441223 44-19911 Queckenberg 441024 44-19929 Achlum 441231 44-19930 Mesum 450114 44-19964 N of Burg, E of River Elbe 441223 44-20615 450413 44-21134 Eggebeck 450416 44-21230 Mühldorf am Inn 450423 44-76024 Last edited by FrankieS; 20th May 2012 at 22:09. |
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
Hi FrankieS,
thanks for your reply, you have some information about what happened with P-47M´s after inactivating of 56th FG? Faenor |
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
Faenor, of all the serials listed in the above post, only two relate to the P-47M which was the subject of your original question.
The identification and fate of all P-47M aircraft has long been the quest of many historians but unfortunately, remaining records do not help in fulfilling this aim. For example, on 10 April 1945, I have a note of three incidents that are lacking in detail. Firstly, Paul W Stitt, 62nd FS was killed in a crash-landing in Belgium and Clarence A Tingen also of 62nd force-landed at B-70 Antwerp-Deurne in Belgium. In both instances neither the serial number nor the code letter is known. On the same day, there is a report of a possible second crash-landing in Belgium where the squadron, serial, code and pilot are all unknown. However, such is the shortage of information that it could well relate to the Stitt crash-landing. This is just the "tip of the iceberg". As far as I know, the listing of P-47M's that I currently have on site is the most comprehensive available to date, unless I can eventually get my hands on the late Roger Freeman's notes, as he was also trying to compile such a list, along with identuifying all of the "Snow White" and "Dogpatch" aircraft from the earlier P-47D's in the 61st and 62nd squadrons. Similarly, I have no idea of what happened to the remaining M's when the 56th rotated back to the ZI, but suspect that like many other aircraft, they were scrapped in the UK. Peter |
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
I haven't checked all of Frankies' list but to save you looking, the final entry of 44-76024 relates to a B-29 serial in a cancelled contract bach. I therefore cannot reconcile the date given - 23 April 1945, but can confirm that there were no 56th FG losses on that day.
Peter |
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
yes, sorry, thank you,
true: must have read 42-76024 and was 57FG 64FS MACR 14016 23.04.1945 Ostiglia, Italy Reichelderfer, Robert H KIA Last edited by FrankieS; 21st May 2012 at 23:22. |
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
Hello Peter,
Thank you for your answer in the first post first, which I understood, that know the fate of each machine will be very difficult... In the event of an accident in Belgium might have helped a local group of Belgian aviation archaeologists do you try, or is some read this topic and have information? In this case, at least compare the photos of all the P-47m, and classing them in my archive. Thanks again for the info and I must say that your site http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/ is excellent. Faenor |
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
Hi
a useful website linked below :- cheers Jerry http://p-47.database.pagesperso-orange.fr/index.html |
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt
Hi all,
on the page 40 of Aircraft In Action no #208 on P-47 Thunderbolt is photo from boneyard in England 1945 with 1 P-47M ....have somebody other data about this place or other photos? Faenor PS - 2 brewerjerry - thanks for links! |
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