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Old 7th June 2013, 00:22
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Question about III./JG 53 in July 1941

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On the Tony Woods page and other places that I have seen, there is a gap from 5 July 1941 to 25 July 1941 (inclusive) where III./JG 53 has no claims for Soviet aircraft shot down. Is this possible or is the data missing ? Does anyone know or can help me find information about what claims the unit made in this time frame ?


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Old 7th June 2013, 02:17
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Re: Question about III./JG 53 in July 1941

On the Tony Wood webpage, you can also find claim files compiled by Jim P, a contributor of this forum.

They included the Luftwaffe claims on the Eastern Front up to end November 1941, as listed in the Prien books, the most up to date source on the subject.

Most of the claims of Luftwaffe over Eastern Front in 1941-1942 are missing in Tony Wood's file. Prien's Jagdfliegerverbände series are filling the gap.
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On the Tony Wood webpage, you can also find claim files compiled by Jim P, a contributor of this forum.

They included the Luftwaffe claims on the Eastern Front up to end November 1941, as listed in the Prien books, the most up to date source on the subject.

Most of the claims of Luftwaffe over Eastern Front in 1941-1942 are missing in Tony Wood's file. Prien's Jagdfliegerverbände series are filling the gap.
Yes I ave down loaded that but it doesn't answer the question. I was hoping there would be more info somewhere else. Prien is not available to me in any public resource and the books are too expensive. But thanks anyway.

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Old 7th June 2013, 10:06
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Re: Question about III./JG 53 in July 1941

Hi Oquaig,

There were actually quite a few III./J.G. 53 aerial victory claims in the period 5 to 25 July 1941 (too many to list).

Stab III./J.G. 53 claimed seven victories
7./J.G. 53 claimed twelve victories
8./J.G. 53 claimed twelve victories
9./J.G. 53 claimed eleven victories

Source: Prien et al., JFV

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Re: Question about III./JG 53 in July 1941

You will find here the 42 victories of III./JG 53 between 5 and 25 July 1941: the source is the Jim P file available on Tony's webpage (http://lesbutler.co.uk/claims/claims_east.zip)

05/07/1941 Oblt. Friedrich Below 7. JG 53 DB-3 - 06.27 6 329 yes Prien/Bock
05/07/1941 Ltn. Karl Vockelmann 7. JG 53 DB-3 - 06.33 2 330 yes Prien/Bock
05/07/1941 Fw. Kurt Sauer 9. JG 53 I-17 - 13.20 6 331 yes Prien/Bock
05/07/1941 Oblt. Klaus Quaet-Faslem Stab III. JG 53 R-5 - 16.06 5 332 yes Prien/Bock
06/07/1941 Ltn. Dietrich Kasten 8. JG 53 R-5 - 15.40 2 333 yes Prien/Bock
06/07/1941 Ltn. Herbert Schramm 8. JG 53 DB-3 - 17.24 17 334 yes Prien/Bock
06/07/1941 Ltn. Herbert Schramm 8. JG 53 DB-3 - 17.35 18 335 yes Prien/Bock
07/07/1941 Fw. Rolf Klippgen 9. JG 53 DB-3 - 05.53 9 336 yes Prien/Bock
07/07/1941 Ltn. Dietrich Kasten 8. JG 53 R-5 - 11.10 3 337 yes Prien/Bock
07/07/1941 Ltn. Dietrich Kasten 8. JG 53 Tiefangriffsflgzg. - 11.17 4 338 yes Prien/Bock
09/07/1941 Ltn. Herbert Schramm 8. JG 53 Pe-2 - 10.10 19 339 yes Prien/Bock
09/07/1941 Ofw. Hans Galubinski 7. JG 53 Pe-2 - 16.00 13 340 yes Prien/Bock
09/07/1941 Ltn. Karl Vockelmann 7. JG 53 Pe-2 SE Witebsk 16.00 3 341 yes Prien/Bock
09/07/1941 Hptm. Wolf-Dietrich Wilcke Stab III. JG 53 Pe-2 - 16.45 20 342 yes Prien/Bock
09/07/1941 Hptm. Ernst-Günther Heinze 8. JG 53 Pe-2 Klujkowa 18.15 2 343 yes Prien/Bock
11/07/1941 Ltn. Hermann Munzert 9. JG 53 I-16 - 12.00 5 344 yes Prien/Bock
11/07/1941 Fw. Kurt Sauer 9. JG 53 DB-3 - 16.05 7 345 yes Prien/Bock
13/07/1941 Ofw. Josef Kronschnabel 9. JG 53 DB-3 - 08.35 5 346 yes Prien/Bock
13/07/1941 Ofw. Josef Kronschnabel 9. JG 53 DB-3 - 08.38 6 347 yes Prien/Bock
13/07/1941 Ltn. Herbert Schramm 8. JG 53 DB-3 - 10.05 20 348 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Ltn. Dietrich Kasten 8. JG 53 Pe-2 - 04.35 5 349 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Hptm. Ernst-Günther Heinze 8. JG 53 Pe-2 - 10.20 3 350 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Oblt. Klaus Quaet-Faslem Stab III. JG 53 R-5 - 14.22 6 351 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Ltn. Herbert Schramm 8. JG 53 DB-3 - 14.30 21 352 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Fw. Kurt Sauer 9. JG 53 I-16 - 16.05 8 353 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Ltn. Gustav Wiegand 9. JG 53 I-16 - 16.08 4 354 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Ltn. Jürgen Harder Stab III. JG 53 I-16 Smolensk 16.55 3 355 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Ltn. Jürgen Harder Stab III. JG 53 I-16 Smolensk 16.56 4 356 yes Prien/Bock
14/07/1941 Ltn. Erich Schmidt 9. JG 53 I-16 - 18.05 31 357 yes Prien/Bock
15/07/1941 Fw. Kurt Sauer 9. JG 53 I-16 - 09.20 9 358 yes Prien/Bock
15/07/1941 Ofw. Eduard Koslowski 8. JG 53 DB-3 - 10.05 10 359 yes Prien/Bock
15/07/1941 Hptm. Wolf-Dietrich Wilcke Stab III. JG 53 R-5 - 16.57 21 360 yes Prien/Bock
23/07/1941 Ltn. Siegmund Hosnedl 7. JG 53 I-18 - 13.30 3 361 yes Prien/Bock
23/07/1941 Ofw. Hermann Neuhoff 7. JG 53 I-18 - 13.30 17 362 yes Prien/Bock
24/07/1941 Fw. Adolf Kalkum 7. JG 53 DB-3 - 05.20 7 363 yes Prien/Bock
25/07/1941 Hptm. Wolf-Dietrich Wilcke Stab III. JG 53 I-16 - 06.20 22 364 yes Prien/Bock
25/07/1941 Ofw. Hans Galubinski 7. JG 53 V-11 - 13.25 14 365 yes Prien/Bock
25/07/1941 Oblt. Franz Götz 9. JG 53 Pe-2 - 14.35 13 366 yes Prien/Bock
25/07/1941 Fw. Adolf Kalkum 7. JG 53 Pe-2 - 18.15 8 368 yes Prien/Bock
25/07/1941 Ofw. Hans Galubinski 7. JG 53 Pe-2 - 18.15 15 367 yes Prien/Bock
25/07/1941 Ofw. Hermann Neuhoff 7. JG 53 Pe-2 - 18.17 18 369 yes Prien/Bock
25/07/1941 Ofw. Hermann Neuhoff 7. JG 53 Pe-2 - 18.25 19 370 yes Prien/Bock
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Re: Question about III./JG 53 in July 1941

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You will find here the 42 victories of III./JG 53 between 5 and 25 July 1941: the source is the Jim P file available on Tony's webpage (http://lesbutler.co.uk/claims/claims_east.zip)

Oops, you are right it was there. It starts listing claims in 1944 which prompted me to skip over it.

Thank you very much again

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Re: Question about III./JG 53 in July 1941

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It is a puzzling to me about what III./JG 53 was doing between 16 thru 22 July 1941. It was based at Kamary 14 km west of Vitebsk along with II./JG 52 during this period of time. It had no claims for VVS aircraft shot down and lost 3 aircraft shot down/written off during this period and II./JG 52 filed 8 claims for this period. This knowledge and the loss of aircraft tells a story of activity....but every account I have read glosses over this period of time. Was the group (III./JG 53) flying patrols over the quieter sectors to the north and north-east (Veliki-Luki/Toropets) ? Escort duty for I. And III. St.G 2 (which were active supporting 19 Panzer Division in the fighting at Veliki-Luki) ? Any comments....


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