eBAy: Captured german planes

[RudiS]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26580326746...UAAOSwQv5i5EWi

[RudiS]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26580470690...4AAOSwTY9i5W3W

[David E. Brown]

Gents,

The three photographs of the Me 262 A-1a in post #5257 (above) is WNr.501221 “Yellow 3” of 3./JG 7. It was shot down by US anti-aircraft fire from guns of the 559th Flight Defense Battalion - 559th AAA (AW) Btn. near Klötze/Kusey, Germany on 21 April 1945. It is missing the top half of the fin having been removed as a souvenir as it is visible in a number of other photos taken soon after the crash.

The machine made a forced landing and hit a railway embankment ripping off the nose and two Jumo 003 motors. The machine was spun around and the centripetal force ejected the pilot from the cockpit who was killed. He was buried in his black leather flying suit by local inhabitants (specific churchyard unknown) and remains unidentified to this day.

Best,

David

[RudiS]

Thanks for the info, David.

PS: I think you mean post #5267

[David E. Brown]

Thanks Rudi,

Yes, that is the correct post number - thanks for the catch.

Best,

David

[Nick Beale]

#5282 is a well-known US Army shot of the scrapyard at Bonn-Hangelar which you can download free from Fold3.com.

A list of the aircraft found (with identifications where I was able to make them) is here: http://www.ghostbombers.com/sf/Stuka/v8kd_8.html

[Karoband]

Originally Posted by RudiS

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Hi Rudi

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/album....pictureid=1037

Thank you for posting these photos of W.Nr. 501221. An enlargement shows that it is not a ripped joint tape between the blue/red bands on the rear fuselage but a yellow? vertical stripe signifying that the aircraft was from III. Gruppe.

Best regards,

Jim

Addendum: I have just examined closely the vertical bars of W.Nr. 110007 and 110800, both of III./JG 7. Both have short yellow bars with white surround within the blue/red bands, not extending beyond the upper and lower limits of the bands seen here. Yet the vertical stripe here seems to sharp edges and a squared bottom. Any ideas?

[RudiS]

Thanks Nick & Jim for the info.





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[David E. Brown]

Jim,

I went through my photos to see the variations in JG 7's III. Gruppe markings. As you note, confirmed III./JG 7 aircraft have the vertical bar positioned on the boundary between the blue/red JG 7 tailband. There are variations between the 9. and 11. Staffeln, but none are positioned at the span between the tail assembly and rear fuselage.

Gruppenstab
111???, Green 1+I, Black Double Chevron +I, Stab III./JG 7, Sinner, Parchim (short, black w/ white outline)

9. Staffel
11????, White 7+I, 9./JG 7, unknown (short, white)
111832, White?+I, 9./JG 7, pos. Brandenburg-Briest (short, black w/ white outline)
500???, White 13+I, 9./JG 7, pos. Leipheim (long, white)
500071, White 3+I, 9./JG 7, Mutke, Debensdorf (short, white)

11. Staffel
110007, Yellow 5+I, 11./JG 7, Schlöppler, AirMin 79, Fassberg (short, black w/ white outline)
500491, Yellow 7+I, 11./G 7, Muller, Dennis-Ginny H-888-FE-111, Lechfeld (short, yellow w/ black outline)

Therefore, the subject machine "Yellow 3" WNr.501221 is a 3. Staffel machine. Note also the similarity with the well-photographed "Yellow 8", WNr.112385 also of 3. Staffel that was found at Stendal. The style, size and dimensions of its '8' is identical to that of WNr.501221's '3'.

Best,

David

[Karoband]

David,

Thank you for doing the research to clarify this. It is appreciated.

Jim