Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Off Topic

Off Topic Please use this forum to discuss all off topic subjects.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15th August 2014, 22:35
edwest edwest is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,612
edwest is an unknown quantity at this point
Colorizing black and white photos

I offer the following for everyone's consideration:

http://twistedsifter.com/2014/04/his...tos-colorized/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0607190748.htm



Ed
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 16th August 2014, 01:43
Dan O'Connell Dan O'Connell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA
Posts: 449
Dan O'Connell is on a distinguished road
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

The ability to colorize is getting very good!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16th August 2014, 05:07
edwest edwest is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,612
edwest is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

Yes. I just hope it makes current and future buyers of original color Luftwaffe photos all the more informed.



Best,
Ed
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 16th August 2014, 17:24
John Beaman John Beaman is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
Posts: 2,128
John Beaman is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

Thanks Ed. Very interesting.

The Gettysburg vets are Confederate and the one on the right is likely wearing a grey suit instead of brown.

The one of Lincoln at Sharpsburg (to us Southerners) is very interesting. If the penny designer did indeed use this as a base, he sure messed up Lincoln's nose and lips!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 16th August 2014, 18:27
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is online now
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 4,688
Nick Beale will become famous soon enough
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan O'Connell View Post
The ability to colorize is getting very good!
To complete your rhyme ...

"But just because you can, it doesn't mean you should."
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 16th August 2014, 20:37
Pilot's Avatar
Pilot Pilot is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Srbija
Posts: 1,545
Pilot is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

I play with this a years ago and results can be so interesting. As well the images become very new products, some of the archive make note that protect their material even if it is rework in this manner. I more prefer images in their original form, including of scratches
__________________
Srecko Bradic
Owner: www.letletlet-warplanes.com
Owner: www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum
Owner: www.sreckobradic.com
Owner: www.warplanes-zine.com
Email: srecko.warplane@gmail.com
Skype: sreckobradic
Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/LetLet...s/308234397758
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 16th August 2014, 23:31
edwest edwest is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,612
edwest is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

Right. As advances are made, we should be aware of what could be done with them. And some things should not be done.




Ed
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 16th August 2014, 23:35
edwest edwest is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,612
edwest is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Beaman View Post
Thanks Ed. Very interesting.

The Gettysburg vets are Confederate and the one on the right is likely wearing a grey suit instead of brown.

The one of Lincoln at Sharpsburg (to us Southerners) is very interesting. If the penny designer did indeed use this as a base, he sure messed up Lincoln's nose and lips!


You're welcome, John. Part of the problem with the internet is instead of experts getting primary access to such technology, it ends up in the hands of amateurs as well. Amateurs + increasingly powerful technology usually ends up in false conclusions or associations, or personal opinions gradually morphing into "facts."



Best,
Ed
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 17th August 2014, 08:32
ouidjat's Avatar
ouidjat ouidjat is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Shanghai, China
Posts: 3,471
ouidjat is on a distinguished road
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

Quote:
Originally Posted by edwest View Post
You're welcome, John. Part of the problem with the internet is instead of experts getting primary access to such technology, it ends up in the hands of amateurs as well. Amateurs + increasingly powerful technology usually ends up in false conclusions or associations, or personal opinions gradually morphing into "facts."



Best,
Ed
Hello,

Just to be complete ... and fair:
Whatever the fields ... you can find Professional/experts turning bad or wrong informations into facts ... as well! Don't forget that, please.

Best regards, Franck.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 17th August 2014, 15:01
Richard T. Eger Richard T. Eger is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seaford, DE, U.S.A.
Posts: 626
Richard T. Eger is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Colorizing black and white photos

Dear All,

As Dan knows, when someone starts to colorize a photo, it gets my dander up. It's a guess as to what the actual colors should be. Perhaps it is based on general data where actual color photos exist, but that certainly can't be the case for all of the color profiles that now seem to be an "essential" part of a book. Frankly, I look at these as wasted pages. Yes, modelers may eat them up, but they are ignoring the likelihood that these are some artist's best guess. When multiple color profiles of some famous pilots are produced in different books, it is amusing to see the differences. And, even when a good black and white side view photo is offered, it is mind boggling that the artist's color profile fails to match the patterns seen. Guys, it is artistry, not necessarily fact.

If you colorize a photo and publish it, you are turning fiction into fact from which others will claim now we know what such and such actually looked like. How are you to distinguish between actual color photos and the fakes? You are creating history, not reporting it, and that is very dangerous.

Case in point. Norman Malayney got pretty peeved at people lifting his stuff off of the Internet and publishing it without getting any permission to do so. So, he pulled a rather nasty trick. He implanted false information on a website to see if he could definitively track someone doing this. And, sure enough, he caught a big fish. The author was furious that his work was now tainted and that tainting would likely be copied by other authors. Pandora's box was open and could never be closed. The same holds true for colorizing black and white photos.

Now, I do take exception to the purist that wants to keep a photo as it was printed and, if the negative or photo became scratched, so be it, as this is history and should remain inviolate. To which, I say, bs. Maybe that snap of the Wright Flyer taking off for the first time should follow this dictum. The photo, itself, is iconic. But, one must remember that very different prints can result from the same negative. In the wet process, the type of paper is very important. Just how long was the exposure from the enlarger? Did the photo processor leave the paper in the developer too long before fixing it? Were the chemicals fresh? Was the photo fully rinsed before drying? If you are talking original photos from the WW II era, then this is the process by which they were printed.

But, going back to the negative, itself, it may have been under or over exposed. Or the subject matter contains both very bright and very dark material. Until the advent of the Photoshop era, normal processing had its limitations. Ironically, though, a really high contrast photo may actually contain information not seeable by the human eye. Scanning such a photo and working it with Photoshop can bring out this detail, information that would otherwise remain lost. What is thus being provided is more information - factual information - and the effort to do so is well justified, in contrast to colorization or painting a mustache on a face when there was none to start with.

Working with a professional photographer, we've been enhancing photos for years, with superb results.

Regards,
Richard
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Seeking photos of Stab I & II./KG26 He111s with white formation tail markings 09.40 Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 15 3rd May 2015 00:42
Seeking Photos of White Stab markings on Bf109Ds and Es during 1939-40 Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 15th November 2013 12:30
The mystery of insignia colors on KG26 He111s during 1939-1940 Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 11 10th April 2012 20:04
Looking for sources for the Stab StG2 Black Jesau Cross on a white shield on any Ju87B during the 1939-40 period Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 11th August 2011 21:33
109E of Oblt. Herbert Kijewski, StKap 5./JG3 8.40 Larry Hickey Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 23 28th April 2010 22:22


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:04.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net