Hptm. Werner Thierfelder - Gruppenkommandeur II./ZG 26 ? - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Lagarto · #1 7th January 2005, 04:26

Was Hauptmann Werner Thierfelder in command of II./ZG 26 when in Russia in winter of 1941-42? Could someone in the know list all the Kommodoren and Kommandeure of ZG 26 and SKG 210 (ZG 1) during their stay in Russia? My sources don't match
Thanks in advance!

Lagarto · #2 8th January 2005, 13:58

Hmmmmm, no one? :?

Ruy Horta · #3 8th January 2005, 14:19

It might take a while to generate an answer, please wait at least a week before bumping your question.

Don Pearson · #4 8th January 2005, 15:08

Not complete, but a start:

http://www.ww2.dk/articles/grupkz.htm

Don

Lagarto · #5 11th January 2005, 02:34

I have one more urgent question. Was Hptm. Johannes Freiherr von Richthofen Staffelkapitaen of 5./ZG 26 or 6./ZG 26? :?

Evgeny Velichko · #6 4th June 2010, 00:23

Lagarto:

1. I have a list for all Commanding officers of ZerstorerWaffe for 1939-45. It is 90% completed. Contact me offboard, I will share needed info.

2. He was StaKa of 6./ZG26.

thenelm · #7 4th June 2010, 22:59

Bf 110E-2, 4382, Richthofen, Hptm. Johannes Frhr. von, , , 6., ZG 26, gelbe A, 3U+AP, , , 26-Jul-41, Stkp. Crew KIA due to Flak., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Ring, ZG 26 loss list, , südlich Ilmen-See, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Hermann Strehl, ,

Doug Stankey · #8 5th June 2010, 18:25

A search of our files was not very helpful in resolving who was Kdr. of II./ZG 26 on the winter of 1941/42 but the implication was that it was most likely Johannes Shalk or possibly Ralph von Rettberg. Regarding Thierfelder, we have:

THIERFELDER, Werner.
(DOB: 24.12.15 in Berlin).
09.39 in II./ZG 26.
10.10.41 Oblt., awarded Ritterkreuz, Staka in II./ZG 26.
03.11.42 Oblt., awarded DKG, 5./ZG 2.
22.04.43 Oblt. in ZG 26, ordered to RLM (Stab/Gen.d.Jagdflieger – L.In.3) for temporary duty.
09.06.43 Oblt., permanently trf to RLM (Stab/Gen.d.Jagdflieger – L.In.3).
15.12.43 Hptm., appt Leiter (Führer) Erprobungskommando 262 at Lechfeld (to 18.07.44).
[06.44 Kdr. III./ZG 26] - perhaps
18.07.44 Hptm., KIA – in Me 262 crash near Lechfeld while attempting to intercept a U.S. bomber formation over South Germany; this was the first operational loss of an Me 262 jet.
Credited with 27 air victories plus 41 more destroyed on the ground.

We hope that this helps

HLdZ
DGS

Evgeny Velichko · #9 5th June 2010, 23:13

Doug:

Quote:

most likely Johannes Shalk or possibly Ralph von Rettberg.

Stab./ZG26 01.10.1940-24.09.1941 Oberst Johann Schalk (Stab was renamed Stab/NJG3)
Stab II./ZG26 11.04.1940-21.02.1942 Hptm. Ralph von Rettberg

All info that I have on duties of Werner Thierfelder, #2 Zerstorer ace:

Lt. Werner Thierfelder in Stab I./ZG26, 9.1939-18.7.1941
Oblt. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 1./ZG26, 19.07.1941-07.08.1941
Oblt. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 6./ZG26, 07.08.1941-31.04.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder in Stab./ZG2, 31.04.42-01.07.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 4./ZG 2, 01.07.1942-08.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 5./ZG 2, 08.1942-09.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder in Rechlin, evaluation of Me.410, the He.219, the Ju.88G and the Ar.440, 09.1942 - 15.12.43
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder KdoFu Erprobungskommando 262 15.12.43 - 22.6.44
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder KdoFu+Gr.Kdr. Erprobungskommando 262 (+III./ZG26 wich was equipping with Me262) 6.44 - 18.7.44, KiA

Tom Semenza · #10 6th June 2010, 05:23

Yevgeny,

I'm a bit confused on these dates:

Hptm. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 4./ZG 2, 01.07.1942-06.1942
Hptm. Werner Thierfelder StaKa 5./ZG 2, 06.1942-09.1942

Also, concidering the fact that he his supposed to have claimed 27 air victories, I have never found any specific details on any of his claims. Can anyone provide some?

Thanks,
Tom