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Old 24th April 2024, 17:46
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

Hi guys

Much appreciated.

Andy: the second date was 18 August (not 16th).

Ongoing saga!

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Old 24th April 2024, 22:27
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

Brian,

Thanks for the correction - Nothing on 18.8.40 either.

You have a copy of the AWDs covering 11.8.40-7.9.40 that I included when I sent you all of the other files (e.g. Lagebericht, Cabinet Papers, Luftflotte 3 Meldungen etc) . It may be worth looking through all of them ...just in case.
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Old 25th April 2024, 18:53
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

Where was the ship sailing from and what was its destination ?
May well have been deck cargo being transported.
I have seen small ships and locomotives as deck cargo, so why not an aircraft that may have been damaged by the bombing ?
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Old 26th April 2024, 13:08
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

Here's the relevant Luftwaffe situation reports (no mention of any aircraft crashing onto a ship)

2 August 1940:

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Kampf- und Zerstörerverbände – z. T. unter Jagdschutz griffen am 2.8 und der Nacht zum 3.8 folgende Ziele an:

aa) bei Tage
Um 1755 und 2005 Uhr
1 Geleitzug im Seegebiet vor Southend; 1 Handelsschiff (8.000 t) erhielt beim ersten Angriff 3 Treffer. Das Heck wurde weggerissen. Beim zweiten Angriff wurde das Schiff mit einer SC 250 versenkt.

2000 Uhr
1 Handelsschiff (1.000 t) vor Harwich mit 8 SC 500 und 12 SC 250. Das Schiff wurde durch 2 Volltreffer versenkt.


AUFKLÄRUNGSTÄTIGKEIT AM 2.8.1940

2.) Schiffsverkehr:

1735 Uhr
35 km nordwestl. Margate ein Handelsschiff (8 000 t) unter Dampf mit 10 Schleppern und 2 Zerstörern. Dampfer lag anscheinend auf Sandbank.
18 August 1940:

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Teilkräfte der Luftflotten 2 und 3

aa) Tageseinsatz

gegen 1800 Uhr

1 Handelsschiff (3 - 4.000 t) 10 km ostw. Southend: 3 Volltreffer SC 50 und SD 50. Schiff sofort gesunken.
1 Handelsschiff (3 – 4.000 t) ostw. Margate mit 2 SC 50. Vollterffer, Wirkung nicht beobachtet.

AUFKLÄRUNGSERGEBNISSE VOM 18.8.1940
(Lfl. 2, 3 und 5)

2.) Schiffsverkehr:

1800 Uhr
10 km ostw. Southend: 1 Handelsschiff.

1820 Uhr
ostw. Margate: 1 Handelsschiff von 3 – 4 000 t.
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Old 27th April 2024, 09:01
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

Hello,

The following event occurred on 2 August 1940:

https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/media...hlander.54385/

See also: Luftwaffe Crash Archive Vol.1, Parker/p.98.

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Old 27th April 2024, 12:15
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

Different ship, different location, different aircraft type. Looks like two stories have been mixed up with no evidence at all to support finding a German aircraft on the Brisbane over 2 weeks after she was attacked not by Ju 87s but Bf 110s
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

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Hello,

The following event occurred on 2 August 1940:

https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/media...hlander.54385/

See also: Luftwaffe Crash Archive Vol.1, Parker/p.98.

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OKL Lagebericht Nr. 333 ending 4.8., 10.00 am

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ATLANTIK UND NORDSEE (Gen. d. Lw. d. Ob.d.M.)
Enge Sicherung, Aufklärung und U-Bootsjagd verliefen ohne besondere Ereignisse.

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NACHTRÄGE:

1.) 2 He 115 (von Nachtangriff gegen Schottland nicht zurückgekehrt).
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

Still night attack off Scotland as opposed to day attack off Margate
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

Also, this:

https://www.battle-of-britain.org.uk...940-day-by-day

The entry under 2 August has an additional photograph and identifies the He115 that hit the SS Highlander as belonging to "3./KG 506" [sic, 3./Kü.Fl.Gr. 506).
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Re: Liner 'City of Brisbane' bombed 2 August 1940

German Docs in Russia, OKL documents, Akte 100 includes a schedule (attached to Lagemeldung 394) of ships claimed sunk or damaged during August. This includes for 2 August 1940:
Z.G. 210 [sic], 3 x SC 250, sunk 8000-ton merchant ship north west of Margate. Stern torn off in first attack. In second attack, ship sunk by direct hit amidships.
The same unit was credited with a 1000-tonner sunk east of Harwich that day with 8 x SC 500 and 12 x SC 50 (2 direct hits).

Credits on the 18th went to II./KG 2 (2 hits on 4000-ton Merchant ship east of Margate; II./KG 53, 4000-ton merchant ship sunk by three direct hits east of Southend).
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