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Old 25th July 2016, 09:01
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Stanislaw, Skalski

Good morning gentlemen,

which of Stanislaw Skalski's Hurricane kills were shared kills ?
If none, were his Mustang kills shared kills ?

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Old 28th July 2016, 11:48
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Skalski claimed two Me 109 together with two other pilots (2/3 victory) on 8 November 1940 in 501 Sqn.

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That's odd. There's no mention of these victories in any of my sources. 501 make two claims on that day but Skalski does not figure in either. I have his shared kills coming in Poland in 1939.

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Old 2nd August 2016, 16:27
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

His two Mustang kills are also very doubtful as I believe they crashed while being chased which seems odd.

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

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Skalski claimed two Me 109 together with two other pilots (2/3 victory) on 8 November 1940 in 501 Sqn.

Greg
Hello Greg,

this is of help, thanks a lot.
Skalski's breakdown oughta look like this now:
P.11 6,25 [6+1] kills (after postwar upgrade of two kills)
Hurricane 4,67 [4+2] kills (I suppose he still flew the Hurricane in November)
Spitfire 8 kills
Mustang 2 kills (collided).

Can you explain the well-known scoreboard photo with the 17 rimmed iron crosses and the 4 non-rimmed iron crosses to me ? (s. Wikipedia entry)

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Hi Michael

My good friend Franek Grabowski (and a member of our Forum) has written a book about Skalski that will be published very soon by Fonthill. Suggest you check Amazon etc.

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Old 22nd August 2016, 07:11
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Hi,

there is an official list of Skalski's victories

Day Unit Place Aircraft Victory
1939.09.02 142 Escadrille Unisław Do 17 1-0-0
1939.09.02 142 Escadrille Unisław Do 17 1-0-0
1939.09.03 142 Escadrille Dubielno – Kornatowo – Lisewo Hs 126 1/4-0-0
1939.09.03 142 Escadrille Komorowo Hs 126 1-0-0
1939.09.04 142 Escadrille Inowrocław Ju 87 1-0-0
1939.09.04 142 Escadrille Solec Do 17 0-0-1/3
1940.08.30 501 SQN E of Dungeness He 111 1-0-0
1940.08.30 501 SQN Southend He 111 0-0-1
1940.08.31 501 SQN Rochester Me 109 1-0-0
1940.09.01 501 SQN RoyalTunbridge Wells Me 110 0-0-1
1940.09.02 501 SQN Newchurch Me 109 1-0-0
1940.09.02 501 SQN SE of Hythe Me 109 1-0-0
1940.11.08 501 SQN Sevenoaks Me 109 1/3-0-0
1940.11.08 501 SQN Sevenoaks Me 109 1/3-0-0
1941.07.24 306 SQN W of Gravelines Me 109 1-0-0
1941.08.19 306 SQN S of Gravelines Me 109 1-0-0
1941.08.21 306 SQN S of St Omer Me 109 0-1-0
1941.09.17 306 SQN Lens Me 109 1-0-0
1941.09.17 306 SQN SE of Dunkerque Me 109 1-0-0
1942.04.10 316 SQN N of Boulogne Fw 190 1-0-0
1942.04.25 316 SQN W of Le Havre Me 109 0-0-1
1942.05.03 316 SQN SE of od Calais Fw 190 0-1-0
1943.03.28 145 SQN Sfax Ju 88 1-0-0
1943.04.02 145 SQN N of El-Hamma Me 109 1-0-0
1943.04.04 145 SQN N of Gabes Me 109 1-0-0
1943.05.06 145 SQN S of od Tunis Me 109 0-0-1
1944.06.24 133 Wing Dreux Me 109 1-0-0
1944.06.24 133 Wing Dreux Me 109 1-0-0


BTW - the biography of Stanislaw Skalski was published in Poland last year (Generał pilot Stanisław Skalski. Portret ze światłocieniem. Authors: Grzegorz Sojda & Grzegorz Śliżewski).

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Hello Greg,

thanks a lot for your list.
In this book
https://www.amazon.de/Entscheidende-...luftschlachten
Christopher Shores reports, that two of Skalski's 1939 probable victories were upgraded postwar, thus giving him a PZL P.11 score of 6,25 confirmed destroyed.
What's your opinion about this ?

I wish you a good start into a successful new week,

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

I still don't see where the shared victories come from on 8 November. In "Poles in Defence of Britian" Robert Gretzyngier states Skalski "claimed the destruction of a Bf109 with others", and in Kenneth Wynns excellent Men of the Battle of Britain he also lists a shared claim but neither indicate there were two shared victories. In John Foremans RAF Fighter Command Victory Claims pt.1 501 Squadron do make claims for two Bf109s destroyed and another damaged (the kills are credited to FL Jones and PO MacKenzie). In his more detailed work "Battle of Britain: the forgotten months" he attributed the same pilots quoting the combat reports, although Jones' claim seems very doubtful. Gretzyngier cites Wynn's work in his bibliography (as well as Foremans) so there is some element of cross-fertilisation. I note also there's no mention of who Skalski shared these victories with. Chris Shores doesn't include them in AH either so....my take is that Skalski may have claimed a victory but that it was attributed to another pilot, whether he awarded himself a share or not. Possibly mirroring some of the claims put forward by him in Poland in 1939 and confirmed (how?) post-war. Maybe he fired at both the Bf109s destroyed but....Kenneth MacKenzie was definitely awarded a full victory and evidence would support Jones also.

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Hello there Brian,

hope you're doing fine.
Could you convince your friend to tell us his opinion about Skalski's total and Keith's intresting considerations ?

Have a very good weekend,

Michael
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