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Old 1st July 2018, 23:10
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Of the list only Chromy, Czownicki, Konieczny, Szuberski, and Szwarc were Polish citizens, the rest being Soviets. There were not much more Polish citizens in the 'Polish People's Air Force'.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 08:58
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

So they had not enough real Polish pilots for their Polish units and had to complete them with Soviet citizen ?
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Old 2nd July 2018, 14:21
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

I would say the opposite. Apart of two units, namely 1 PLM and 2 PLNB, the rest were Soviet units, transferred to PPAF and renumbered.
The original two units had some Polish citizens, but I am not sure if there was a handful of pre-war Polish pilots amongst them. Practically all command positions were held by Soviets, except two trusted men.
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Old 3rd July 2018, 14:33
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Hello Franek,

I'm intrigued that Josef Frantisek is on the Lista Bajana.
He is Czech, isn't he ?

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Old 3rd July 2018, 18:32
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Because he served in the Polish Air Force, and was on Polish payroll. A number of foreigners joined Polish Air Force, plenty of Czechoslovaks, several Americans of both Polish origin and not, Latin Americans, few Estonians, etc.
Please note, that Gładych's score on the list does not include some victories - it is becuase he was not in the Polish Air Force, when he scored them. As he was not in the USAAF, it would make him civilian I think.
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

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Originally Posted by Greg S. View Post
Hi,

there is an official list of Skalski's victories

Day Unit Place Aircraft Victory
1939.09.02 142 Escadrille Unisław Do 17 1-0-0
1939.09.02 142 Escadrille Unisław Do 17 1-0-0
1939.09.03 142 Escadrille Dubielno – Kornatowo – Lisewo Hs 126 1/4-0-0
1939.09.03 142 Escadrille Komorowo Hs 126 1-0-0
1939.09.04 142 Escadrille Inowrocław Ju 87 1-0-0
1939.09.04 142 Escadrille Solec Do 17 0-0-1/3
1940.08.30 501 SQN E of Dungeness He 111 1-0-0
1940.08.30 501 SQN Southend He 111 0-0-1
1940.08.31 501 SQN Rochester Me 109 1-0-0
1940.09.01 501 SQN RoyalTunbridge Wells Me 110 0-0-1
1940.09.02 501 SQN Newchurch Me 109 1-0-0
1940.09.02 501 SQN SE of Hythe Me 109 1-0-0
1940.11.08 501 SQN Sevenoaks Me 109 1/3-0-0
1940.11.08 501 SQN Sevenoaks Me 109 1/3-0-0
1941.07.24 306 SQN W of Gravelines Me 109 1-0-0
1941.08.19 306 SQN S of Gravelines Me 109 1-0-0
1941.08.21 306 SQN S of St Omer Me 109 0-1-0
1941.09.17 306 SQN Lens Me 109 1-0-0
1941.09.17 306 SQN SE of Dunkerque Me 109 1-0-0
1942.04.10 316 SQN N of Boulogne Fw 190 1-0-0
1942.04.25 316 SQN W of Le Havre Me 109 0-0-1
1942.05.03 316 SQN SE of od Calais Fw 190 0-1-0
1943.03.28 145 SQN Sfax Ju 88 1-0-0
1943.04.02 145 SQN N of El-Hamma Me 109 1-0-0
1943.04.04 145 SQN N of Gabes Me 109 1-0-0
1943.05.06 145 SQN S of od Tunis Me 109 0-0-1
1944.06.24 133 Wing Dreux Me 109 1-0-0
1944.06.24 133 Wing Dreux Me 109 1-0-0


BTW - the biography of Stanislaw Skalski was published in Poland last year (Generał pilot Stanisław Skalski. Portret ze światłocieniem. Authors: Grzegorz Sojda & Grzegorz Śliżewski).

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Good morning Franek & Greg,

can you tell me if the Skalski kill list that Greg posted is from the Sojda/Śliżewski book he mentioned ?
Or: Are you even Grzegorz Sojda or Grzegorz Śliżewski, Greg ?

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Old 5th July 2018, 19:07
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Greg is out for a week or two.
As to the list, a better one is in my book, it includes victories not claimed and downgraded. The victory on 8 November 1940 was for one shared and not two.
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Good morning Franek,

you're right.
I was wondering if Greg S. is Greg Śliżewski because the latter wrote an article for AVIONS which lists two shared Hurricane kills less and one Spitre kill more than indicated in the list that Greg S. posted in post 7.

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Old 12th July 2018, 11:58
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Hello All.

It's a long time I follow this thread About Skalski.

I didn't want to answer for many reasons, maybe you will understand

I had the honour to meet Stanislaw Skalski in Warsaw the 5th september 2000.

My guide was now my friend Franek. a long friendship.

After I did my article about Skalski in REPLIC in 3 parts in n°113, 114 and 115 of Jan, feb and march 2001.

When I saw the article in Avions n° 141 (dec 2004) I was vey upset and annoyed because some photos and some infos came directly from my article without asking a permission.

I was sure because for these 2 photos I took directly during my visit to "Skal" . Impossible to find these two photos outside of the collection of the great Ace

In my revue AceS in issue number 2 (Feb 2017) I did a new version of the bio of Skalski with the help of Franek with some photographs ( his book is fantastic !).

For the victories of the 8 nov 1940, I found at the PI&SM a long time ago a paper in the Skalski files about these 2 victories of 8 nov 1940. I have a xray copy of this paper some where.

It was written that 2 Bf 109 shared were claimed by 3 pilots of 501 Sqn, among them S. Skalki, on 8th november

The story is like that In the morning of 8th november a patrol of 501 Sqn A flight composed if I Remember well with P/O Skalski (V6723/SD°B) F/S Whitehouse (V7469/K) and F/L Jones (????) see a pair of Bf 109; they attack them but themself were attacked by outnumbered of Bf 109. They flew away

Even the 3 pilots of RAF have seen some impacts they didn't claim these victories. The same day, in the same place the unit of the Royal Observer Corps have seen the combat and found the wrecks of 2 Bf 109. The only, really only, pilots in the air at this precise moment were the pilots of 501 Sqn. The claim was official in the middle december 40

One of the 2 photos I took at Skalki's house show the 3 pilots with the rudder of one of the 2 Bf 109 shot down on 8th november 1940.

This photo was with a bad quality that why I didn't put in my last article in AceS

Thank you.

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Hello Many.
Thank you for the detailed information regarding Skalski's 2 shared kills of 8 Nov 1940.
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