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Old 12th December 2012, 19:36
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SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

Dear colleagues!

As a new member to this forum I like shortly introduce myself.
Living in Tutow, North-Eastern Germany, I'm researching the history of the former Airdrome.
Reading along here for quite a while, I'm impressed by the knowledge and professional research of the members and hope of good interchange of ideas.

Please could you help me to find out about the losses that occurred to the Schlachtgeschwader here in Tutow between Febraury and April 1945? I'm interested to against which of the advancing Russian units they flew their combat missions.

On our cemetery we have some war graves which contain unsettled names. One of them maybe belongs to the losses I'm looking for.

Fw. Hermann Lang, born 28.05.1910 +05.04.1944 (single grave)
Wilhelm Anders,
Erich Bornemann,
Bernhard Botzel,
Willy Bremer,
Helmut Dyderski, Gefr. Franz Fussi, born 20.07.1918 in Hohenfeld, +23.06.1941 in Tutow
Wolfgang Gellner,
Josef Giebel,
Walter Gnicwocz,
Edmund Krenzer,
Siegmund Halberstadt,
Franz Ledermüller,
Heinrich Oehling,
Arno Brater,
Gefr. Richard Reichard, born19.05.1924 in Ettenstadt, +26.12.1944 in Tutow,
Dr. Paul Ritter,
Friedrich Sievers,
Max Schaber,
Johann Wagner,
Richard Zanger,


Many thanks for your help.


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Heiko
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Old 12th December 2012, 21:25
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Re: SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

The following SG losses can be found from your list. All the others were either on ground or from GKS. None of them was lost in 1945. For Bernhard Botzel, Paul Ritter and Arno Brater I have no aircraft loss.
1944-12-29, 6./SG 104, FW 190F-8/R1, 932880, Fl.Pl. Tutow, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ogfr Gellner, Wolfgang, +
1944-12-22, 6./SG 104, FW 190F-3, 670348, Fl.Pl. Tutow, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Gniewocz, Walter, +
1944-12-22, 4./SG 104, Bü 181B-1, 110384, Fl.Pl. Tutow, Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugschüler Ofhr Giebel, Josef, +
Flugschüler Ofw Zanger, Richard, +
1944-12-26, 6./SG 104, FW 190F-8, 933084, Fl.Pl. Tutow, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Gefr Reichart, Richard, +
1944-12-18, 3./SG 104, FW 190F-8/R1, 583249, Fl.Pl. Tutow-Nord, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ofhr Sievers, Friedrich, +

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Old 12th December 2012, 21:54
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Re: SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

Thanks Matti for your kind answer.

On the big gravestone are also the names Hermann Bückart and Karl Brennecke.
They were both from 8./JG 1 and crashed on a collision Dez. 11th 1944 between Tutow and Loitz on a training flight.

Are there not known crash from other SG in time between Feb. and April 45? I think SG 1 and SG 9 operated in this area.

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Old 12th December 2012, 21:58
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Re: SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

Btw, on the single grave of Hermann Lang is also written "Er starb den Fliegertod"

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Old 13th December 2012, 10:28
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Re: SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

Flugzeugführer Fw Hermann Lang was killed with 12 other persons in the following accident:
1944-04-05, 5./TG 5, Pi 108, 24670, J4+EH, Bei Kreusen, Linz, Bodenberührung infolge Schlechtwetter. Bruch 100 %.

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Old 15th December 2012, 10:15
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Re: SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

Thanks again Matti for your great help.
I've got a fragment of the fin tip with the first three digits of the Werk-Nr. 584 on it. Also a little fragment of the wooden elevator rudder with a fabrication stamp, saying "23. Jan. 1945" on it. Both parts were found in the 80's by woodworker near Tutow. Unfortunately this man passed away a few years ago, so we can't ask him anymore. I've got the parts from his son.
They are both from the same a/c, an Arado Warnemünde build Fw 190 F-8.
Do you have any information about that a/c? Could the complete Werk-Nr. possibly be: 584104?

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Old 15th December 2012, 11:56
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Re: SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

I have nothing about 584104. Also I have no crash in the vicinity of Tutow. The following are the only ones in that part of Germany (manufactured after 23 Jan 1945), which I have:
1945-02-01, 2./SG 104, FW 190F-8, 584345, 1 km westlich Weltzin, 21 km nördlich Neubrandenburg, Absturz bei Überführungsflug. Bruch 100 %.
1945-03-25, I/SG 1, FW 190F-8, 584359, Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1945-02-23, Fl.ÜG 1 Nord, FW 190F-8, 584594, Waren/Teterow, Absturz. Bruch 100 %.


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Old 15th December 2012, 12:56
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Re: SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

I think, the first F-8 near Welzin we can eliminate. There are only 8 days between fabrication date of rudder and loss date.
The distance Waren - Tutow is about 70 km and Teterow 65 km.

1945-03-25, I/SG 1, FW 190F-8, 584359, Unbekannt. Bruch 100 % looks interesting and is the one to investigate. Maybe someone can provide additional information like loss region, crash reason and pilot of a/c.

I mentioned Werk-Nr. 584104, because I have the lower under carriage cover with the digits 485104 with red paint written on it. I thought of transposed digits because I couldn't find the Werk-Nr. block 485.

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Re: SG losses between Feb.-April 45 in Tutow

Good afternoon,

> 1945-03-25, I/SG 1, FW 190F-8, 584359, Unbekannt. Bruch 100 % looks interesting and is the one to investigate

Plane and Pilot missing from a mission in the area: South of Küstrin/Oder.
Very likely lost behind the lines, i.e. in today Poland.

Around the 25th March 45, the I./SG 1 used the airfield Fürstenwalde (Spree), located between Frankfurt/Oder and Berlin, far away from Tutow area (~ 180 km distance).
On the 25th + the days before and after, I./SG 1 had quite a few damaged aircraft (crash landings, collisions on the airfield or during landing circuit) at or or close by Fürstenwalde/Spree (Gen.Qu.-losslists & WAst. personnel-losses).
So ... i think, it's not really worth to follow this track (584359).

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