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Old 5th May 2019, 13:40
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Horst Hanning and his claims with JG2

Hello all

Credited since 75 + years with 8 "Abschusse" with JG2
Problem:to my knowledge nobody has yet been able to confirm his 8° "abschuss".

Source T.Wood
16/02/43=B-17...founded;shared with Hptm.Bolz,Lt.Edelmann,Uffz.Helwig and Fw.Schroder (NAG 13),Lt.Klink (NAG 13):303°BG(42-2967)

28/03/43=Spit...founded (610°Sqd.X 4,603°Sqd.X 1)

04/04/43=Spit...(504°Sqd.??)

13/04/43=Spit X 2...founded (485°Sqd.X 1,331°Sqd.X 2)

15/04/43=Typhoon...founded (247°Sqd.)

16/04/43=Spit...Unknown...and so unfounded??

And the "famous" 8° "Abschuss"....a Myth?

Thank you if you can correct me.
Michel
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Old 5th May 2019, 14:23
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Re: Horst Hanning and his claims with JG2

Hello Michel,

From Erik Mombeeck's book "Dans le ciel de France, Histoire de la JG 2 vol.4 : 1943", page 95, it is noted that Lt. Horst Hanning claimed a Spitfire on 15th May 1943 at 17h06.

Some minutes later he was shot down and killed.

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Old 5th May 2019, 15:24
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Re: Horst Hanning and his claims with JG2

Poor Horst! He was so cute...
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Old 5th May 2019, 17:55
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Re: Horst Hanning and his claims with JG2

Hello Michel,

in JFV Vol. 10/IV these 8 claims of Lt Horst Hannig (not Hanning) with 2./JG 2 are listed too.

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Old 6th May 2019, 16:27
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Re: Horst Hanning and his claims with JG2

Ok guys,I note it my database.
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Old 5th June 2019, 17:34
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Re: Horst Hanning and his claims with JG2

Horst Hannig

2nd claim 27.6.41/1350 DB-3 Day's DB-3/IL-4 losses include 3 from 96 DBAP alone: crews of Lts. Konstantin Vasilevich Spirin, Petr Grigorievich Romanenko and Mikhail Savelievich Minikaev all failed to return. 53 DBAP suffered one damaged crew of Lt. Nikolai Andreevich Bulygin made it back with 100 bullet holes. 21 DBAP lost WOP/gunner Yakov Ruvimovich Khaikin KIA

3rd claim 30.6.41/1312 DB-3 1 MTAP, 57 BAP or 73 BAP of 8 BAB, 43 losses for 65 claims

4th – 6th claims 2.7.41/2030 – 2042 SB-3s 2 SAD. SB losses include Starshiy Leytenant Pavel Markutsa of 44 SBAP

7th claim 6.7.41/0910 SB-3 41 SAD (includes 10 SBAP, 201 SBAP and 202 SBAP)

10th claim 12.8.41/1255 I-16 "Rata" Possibly Mladshiy Leytenant Boris Alexandrovich Godunov of 3 AE, 5 IAP-KBF. KIA over Veymarn-Moloskovitsky (E of Kingisepp) 1345-1400 ST

12th claim 13.8.41/0817 I-16 "Rata" II/JG 54's I-16 victims this day include Leytenant Vasiliy Golubev WIA and Leytenant Dmitriy Knyazev shot down but returned safely of 13 OIAE of VVS-KBF

16th claim 19.8.41/0710 I-16 "Rata" Day's losses include Anatoly Yakovlevich Bondarev of 71 IAP KIA near Golubovitsy. Same unit lost Lt. Petr Yegorovich Terekhov KIA

17th claim 5.9.41/1520 I-153 "Tchaika" (claimed as an "I-15") 71 IAP, 10 SABR. Pilot Tumas'ev MIA

23rd claim 17.9.41/0925 MiG-3 ("I-18") 191 IAP, 7 IAK. Possiby pilot Nikolai Kosarenko KIA and there was one other loss in the engagement.

31st claim 5.2.42/1530 MiG ("I-18") NW of Orelje 3 GIAP of VVS KBF. P A Chepelkin forcelanded WIA and G D Kostylev baled out slightly WIA (the other claim was by Dieter Hrabak)

34th claim 23.2.42/1610 Pe-2 Possibly 5 BAP. Crew of Mikhail Nikolaevich Afanasyev all KIA by a fighter.

35th claim 5.3.42/0835 Curtiss P-40 Possibly 154 IAP. Ml.Lt. Nikolay Vasilyevich Fedorov KIA

37th claim 26.3.42/0830 “I-18” Was this actually a Yak-1? 293 IAP lost Kapitan Nikolay Ivanovich Bayans (AE CO) and 161 IAP lost St.Lt. Konstantin Yakovlevich Belichenko KIA this date. 426 IAP lost Lt. Alexander Nikolaevich Bulygin definitely in air combat.

41st claim 15.4.42/0745 LaGG-3 Was this actually a 123 IAP Yak-1? Their losses include Aleksandr Trifonovich Baklanov KIA

42nd claim 16.4.42/0745 Yak-1 Possibly Serzhant Pavel Ivanovich Alfyorov of 517 IAP KIA.

43rd claim 18.4.42/0635 “MiG-3” Likely a 485 IAP Hurricane. Legitimate victory: St.Serzhant G I Gorb KIA plus St.Lt. Parfenov and Lt. Lunev bellylanded (the other claims were by Beisswenger and Buechner)

46th claim 22.4.42/0510 R-5 Was this actually Yakov Shutov Ageenko of 699 ThAP (NBAP?) KIA, date of death given as the previous day?

47th claim 24.4.42/1940 Yak-1 (Wilhelm Schilling and Rudolf Patzak also claimed)
One of these was likely the LaGG-3 of 11 GIAP, Starshina Shakh

74th claim 1.9.42/1008 MiG-3 25km ESE of Schlusselburg (PQ 10243) @ 700m Believe this was 12 KOAE, VVS KBF. Pilot Khramov baled out in Osinovets area

75th claim 2.9.42/0929 Hurricane ("Yak-1") 15km WSW of Schlusselburg (PQ 00582) @ 2200m 3 GIAP, VVS KBF. 5 losses: 2 total losses, 3 bellylanded. Victims include Starshiy Leytenant Aleksey Yevgrafov, KIA and Starshiy Leytenant Aleksandr Kazin baled out WIA

76th claim 2.9.42/1820 Yak-1 Eastern edge of Leningrad @ 6000m 21 IAP/VVS. Starshiy Leytenant Rubtsov WIA and Serzhant Levinskiy KIA (the other was shot down by Walter Heck)

78th claim 28.9.42/1005 Yak-1 30km SSE of Staraya Russa (PQ 18411) @ 500m
Was this St.Lt. Viktor Konstantinovich Smolnikov (AE CO) of 402 IAP KIA this date?

79th claim 6.10.42/1255 10km N of Ostaschkow (PQ 38714) @ 3500m Was this Nikolaj Fyodorovich Krasnov of 402 IAP, WIA?
85th claim 30.10.42/0835 LaGG-3 30km ESE of Staraya Russa (PQ 18262) @ 4500m
Either Pavel Mikhailovich Batulin of 38 GIAP (ex-629 IAP) KIA in aerial combat, or 11 GIAP, Serzhant Arkady Adamovich Fedorinchik KIA

86th claim 31.10.42/1640 IL-2 Sturmovik PQ 09871 @ 30m Possibly 569 ShAP, Vasily Ilyich Borisov KIA

92nd claim 28.3.43/1326 Spitfire V 60km NW of Fecamp @ 7000m
610 sqn. Four losses: BM143/DW-Y of Capt. A P Millet (Free French), EE739/DW-E of F/O G S Malton RCAF, EP640/DW-P of Sgt. W A Wyse and EE766/DW-G of F/O E J Plas. All pilots KIA

93rd claim 4.4.43/1005 Spitfire V 40km NE of Cherbourg @ 2500m 504 sqn. EE614 of S/L L W Ivey KIA and W3412 of Sgt. M F Harding WIA (Ernst Petretti claimed the other)

94th and 95th claims 13.4.43/1646 and 1648 Spitfire IX Caen sector
485 sqn RNAAF and 331 sqn RNAF. 331 lost BS299/FN-L of Sgt. Eyolf Johannes Berg-Olsen and BS468/FN-B of Sgt. Birk Leif Gilje, both KIA. Damaged but safe were: BS388/FN-Z of Maj. Helge Olrik Mehre and BS255 of Sgt. Carl Sejersted Bodtker (332 sqn). 485 sqn lost BM299 of Sgt. T W J Denholm KIA (2 other claims in the engagement)

96th claim 15.4.43/1700 Typhoon Ib 2.5km NNW of Goderville/Etretat area DN431/ZY-V of 247 sqn. F/S Robert Richard Campbell RNZAF KIA

97th claim 16.4.43/0850 Typhoon Ib ("Spitfire") 45km NNW of St. Valéry, @ 6000m R8881/SA-R of 486 sqn RNZAF. F/L H N Sweetman forcelanded safely at Selsey Bill


98th claim 15.5.43/1706 Spitfire Roquancourt Definitely claimed by JG 2 in the afternoon was Mk VB BL544 of 19 sqn (on loan from 602 sqn). P/O Eric Sidney Opie POW (Rhodesian). Also, 403 sqn RCAF lost Mk IXs BS246 of F/L L B Madden and BR986 of P/O W T Lane both KIA. 421 sqn lost Mk IX AB973 (ex Mk VB) of P/O C D Myers also KIA
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Old 6th June 2019, 14:45
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Re: Horst Hanning and his claims with JG2

Hi Nick

Some complement:15/05/43
The potential victim of Hannig is not 1 spit of the 421°,19°,403° Sqd but rather 1 of the 2 Spits of 315°Sqd lost in the region of Caen during circus 297.

German claims:
Rudorffer=Typhoon (S.Senarpont): in reality Spit 19°Sqd BL544
Rudorffer=Spit (Conteville):403°Sqd BS246
Huppertz=Spit (W.Bonnieres):421°Sqd AB973
Goltzsch=Spit (Eu/Baromesnil):403°Sqd BR986
Paulus=Spit (W.Troarn/Caen):315°Sqd LZ990 or BS554
Hannig=Spit (Region Caen):315°Sqd LZ990 or BS554

Buhlingen=Mustang (1157/05 Ost) 07.16 : unknown

Remark:7 claims...6 founded (one to confirm)... for JG2,not bad!

Michel
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Old 7th June 2019, 05:57
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Re: Horst Hanning and his claims with JG2

Thankyou Michel,

I have updated my database accordingly and fully agree: 7 claims for 6 losses is astonishingly good for JG 2




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