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Old 30th November 2012, 17:12
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Perugia airport

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I'm looking for infos and photos of Perugia airport Italy.
In particular after september 8 1943 when was occupied by
Aufklarungruppe Gr.122.
On 1944 was abandoned by german soldiers after to mineing of all the hangars and buildings.
I only found the following photo.
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Old 30th November 2012, 17:41
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Re: Perugia airport

another photo referring to the stopping test of Arado 96 by wire (as in aircrafty carrier) on the same runway of Perugia airport .

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I'm looking for infos and photos of Perugia airport Italy.
In particular after september 8 1943 when was occupied by
Aufklarungruppe Gr.122.
On 1944 was abandoned by german soldiers after to mineing of all the hangars and buildings.
Perugia (ITAL) (a.k.a. San Egidio) (43 05 50 N – 12 30 35 E)
General: airfield in C Italy 133 km N of Rome, 26 km E of Lake Trasimeno, 10.5 km E of Perugia and 1.6 km N of the Perugia-Bastia railway.
History: construction completed at the end of 1938 and a bomber school established here.
Dimensions: approx. 1740 x 915 meters (1900 x 1000 yards) with an irregular shape.
Surface and Runways: grass surface on clay subsoil. Had a single concrete runway on the E side of the airfield measuring approx. 1260 meters (1375 yards) and aligned NNE/SSW. Turning circles existed at the S end of the runway and 275 meters (300 yards) south of the N end. A wide taxiway connected the S turning circle with the hangars on the W boundary, and a perimeter road was under construction along the W boundary in Apr 44.
Fuel and Ammunition: 2 pairs of refueling points were off the W perimeter. The munitions dump was at the NW corner and connected to the hangar area by a service road.
Infrastructure: there were 3 large hangars with paved aprons along the W boundary, and these were reportedly used for minor repairs and overhauls. A large workshop-type building adjoined the W side of the center hangar. A compass swing base was beside the hangar on the S end of the row. Several blocks of station buildings and 7 barrack-type buildings were off the W boundary. Flying personnel were billeted in a school building in Assisi, in Bastia and in Bastiola. Villas and cottages in the vicinity of the airfield were also used for quarters. The nearest rail connection was in Bastia, 4 km SE of the airfield.
Dispersal: the East dispersal was still under construction in Apr 44, but already had 4 large aircraft shelters and 1 medium open shelter nearing completion. The Southwest dispersal had 2 medium open aircraft shelters and a number of aircraft parking stands.
Defenses: number and location of Flak positions unknown.
Remarks: Perugia was attacked more than 20 times by 12th and 15th AAF bombers between 12 Nov 43 and 15 Jun 44, plus an unknown number of times by USAAF and RAF fighters. The airfield was the target in about a third of these attacks.
13 Jan 44: airfield hit hard by a mixed force of 12th and 15th AAF medium and heavy bombers during a knockout punch at German airfields as part of the preparations for the landings at Anzio (22 Jan 44).
Operational Units (Regia Aeronautica): HQ Raggruppamento Bombardamento (Jun-Sep 43); 28º Gruppo BT (Jun-Sep 43); 86º Gruppo BM (Jun-Sep 43); 88º Gruppo BT (Jun-Sep 43); 106º Gruppo BT (Jun-Sep 43).
Operational Units (Luftwaffe): 3.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 33 (Oct-Nov 43); Stab/Aufkl.Gr. 122 (Oct/Nov 43 – Apr 44); 2.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 122 (Oct 43 – Apr 44); 1.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 123 (Oct 43 – Apr 44); Wekusta 26 (Oct 43 – May 44); Ital. Torpedogruppe (Apr 44); part of NSGr. 9 (Jun 44).
Station Commands: Fl.H.Kdtr. E 6/IV (c. Oct 43 - Mar 44); Fl.H.Kdtr. E(v) 206/VII (Apr-Sep 44).
Station and Town Units (on various dates – not complete): Koflug 3/VII (Oct 43 – Jun 44); Koflug 9/VII (Jun-Aug 44); Stab/Flak-Rgt. 37 (mot); Stab/Flak-Rgt. 39 (Nov 43); elements of schw.Flak-Abt. 365 (Feb 44); elements of le.Flak-Abt. 860 (Apr-May 44); Stab III.(Tel.Bau)/Ln.-Rgt. 21 (Jun 44); 18.(Flum.Mess)/Ln.-Rgt. 200 (Jan 44); Lw.-Bau-Gerätezug 5/IV; Rollfeldherrichtungs-Kol. 3 (Dec 43); Feldlufttanklager z.b.V. 5/VII (1943-44); Flug-Betr.St.Kol. 508/VII.
[Sources: AFHRA A5262 pp.1509-10 (21 Feb 45) and pp.1886-87 (26 Apr 44); chronologies; BA-MA; NARA; PRO/NA; web site ww2.dk]

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Nick Beale, Ferdinando D’Amico and Gabriele Valentini, Air War Italy 1944–45, the Axis Air Forces from the Liberation of Rome to the Surrender (Airlife Publishing Ltd., Shrewsbury, May 1996) ISBN 1 85310 252 0

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operati...egranate_(SAS)

P.S. I never found any evidence that elements of NSG 9 were at Perugia in June 1944
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June 1944 locations for NSGr. 9:
5 Jun 44: elements of NSGr.9 transferred from Tuscania to Brolio.
6 Jun 44: 1. and 2. Staffel transferred from Tuscania to Perugia and Pisa.
26 Jun 44: 1. and 2./NSGr. 9 both at Torino-Caselle.
28-30 Jun 44: 1. and 2./NSGr. 9 and 2./NSGr. 2 transferred to operational airfields in Central Italy.

Sources Used:
Dierich-VdL; Tessin-Tes; N.Beale et al-Air War Italy:19, 20, 98 and ff; K.Gundelach-Med:800, 883; C. Shores-Med/v.III:121, 125; N.Beale letters to H.L.deZeng dated 17 June and 14 July 1991; N.Beale article in Flugzeug magazine issue 2/1990, p.6; PRO London: DEFE 3 ULTRA signals; PRO London: AIR 40 Air Ministry intelligence documents; BA-MA Freiburg: Flugzeug-Bereitstellungen (Aircraft Availability Status Reports – FzB) in: M.Holm-website (ww2.dk); BA-MA Freiburg: Signatur RL 10/509; BA-MA Freiburg: Signatur RL 40/Kart (“Aufmarsch die fliegende Verbände” order of battle maps for 25 May 44, 3 Oct 44); NARA WashDC: RG 242/T-321 roll 53, frame 003ff; AFHRA Maxwell: decimal 512.619 British AirMin CSDIC P/W Interrogation Reports in microfilm rolls A5415-18, interrogation CSDIC A.406, A.412, A.437, A.440, A.499, A.514, A.520, A.564, A.583, A.589.

Possibilities:
(1) perhaps a few aircraft from one or the other or both Staffeln made it to Perugia and were there for a few hours, for a day, or two, or three, etc., and this fact has been lost in time;
(2) perhaps all or part of the two Staffeln were en-route to Perugia but were diverted before they arrived because of the constantly changing combat situation on the ground;
(3) perhaps the 6 June transfer was canceled altogether;
(4) perhaps the transfer was disinformation provided to the Allies by a NSGr. 9 POW;
(5) perhaps a transcription error occurred in the original documents (ULTRA signal?) and the word “transferred” was actually “transferring”;
(6) etc., etc.

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(1) perhaps a few aircraft from one or the other or both Staffeln made it to Perugia and were there for a few hours, for a day, or two, or three, etc., and this fact has been lost in time
I'd agree that passing through was always a possibility, indeed that would go for almost any unit in theatre.

The best I could find from a quick word search in Ghost Bombers was a transfer in early June 1944 to an "airfield in the Perugia/Pisa area."
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I'd agree that passing through was always a possibility, indeed that would go for almost any unit in theatre.
The best I could find from a quick word search in Ghost Bombers was a transfer in early June 1944 to an "airfield in the Perugia/Pisa area."
Agreed, but another strong possibility might have been an ULTRA or "Y" intercept, #(5) on my list. Rome had been captured on 4 June and by 6 June U.S. VI Corps with 1st Armored Div. was almost half the distance from Rome to Perugia. This rapid rate of advance may have forced a quick change of plans by the Luftwaffe, so instead of "transferring" NSGr. 9 to Perugia the order was rescinded.

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Grazie Nick, grazie Larry.
At your disposal if you are interested to see some photos, before II W.W., of Perugia airport.
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